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Re: Tripping the Rift Mafia - Official Game Topic
« Reply #400 on: April 10, 2008, 11:52:05 AM »
Successful night at least, good work by the doctor or the roleblocker. We shouldn't rule out the potential that no kills could mean that the mafia spent their night recruiting rather than killing though - just so we don't go to over the top in celebration.

No murders in the night so someone has performed their role well but it also leaves in the same situation from day one. if someone was murdered we could have looked at their previous posts to find out if they were on to someone (if it was ryals though it could have been anyone he accused so many  ;D )

Then that'd clearly be a set-up and no help at all surely? I'm happy that no innocents died in the night phase myself.

I'm gonna read back and try and work out some things and then i'll make a post of my findings later.

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« Reply #401 on: April 10, 2008, 01:19:21 PM »
I stated my reasons numerous times! The exchange between you two and his tit for tat for votes looked iffy to me.

That is un true.   Once the tit-for-tat voting reason had holes shot in it by bluestars, and it was revealed that the one who was actually aggressive in the exchange was MIASG and not TP, you reverted to this ever so popular reason

"Gut Instinct"

FOS SVH  For leaving your vote on someone without any real reason, but only gut instinct.

FOS AFROBOY for finalizing the kill with this reason:

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Trick pony has slipped up a few times noted by steve

it's eason to pass the blame to me, but if you read properly you'll see that my vote was removed, and i said very plainly that my reason for suspision was pure rubbish as he had been told outside the thread about the mafia having a list.. 

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« Reply #402 on: April 10, 2008, 01:30:48 PM »
Right, i was extremely suspicious of one person yesterday, but there was no real point to accusing them  because i had no kind of evidence for it - it just looked obvious to me, but not sure everyone else would agree - but i really have to point it out now.

From the Trick Pony lynch, there were (only) 3 people who voted: MIASG, Steve Van Halen and Afroboy. 2 of whom i find suspicious. MIASG accused him first and then stuck with it for the entire day - i don't know about anyone else, but i don't find that overly suspicious. They know each other, MIASG obviously doesn't want there to be any chance of Trick Pony getting one over on him, as if he was evil and MIASG hadn't picked up on it, i doubt he'd have heard the end of it. I also don't think that if MIASG was genuinely evil, he'd have posted just before the lynch saying:

1 min to go .. god help me if i'm wrong

or start the day saying:

I do suspect some backlash but I stated why i voted for him abnd from and early stage (p5 ?) .. have the others?  also you wouldn't believe how quiet TP is now at work  :bleh:

It's an admittance that they look suspicious, and i don't think somebody in the mafia would play it like that. I think what the mafia would do is start the day trying to distance themselves from the mistakes of the previous day.

Maybe something like:

I stated my reasons numerous times! The exchange between you two and his tit for tat for votes looked iffy to me.

A lot of attention may be drawn towards you now miasg and I will always be suspicous of someone who would vote for their own mother mophead you little sod  >:D !

In fact, as they know for certain that Trick Pony wasn't part of their mafia, i'd say that the distancing from the lynch would start on the previous day. Maybe something like:

vote trick pony although if trick pony turns out to be innocent miasg may look suspicous for the exchanges between them.

or

The early aggressive exchanges between miasg and Trick pony led me to suspect both of you which is why if one is lynched my attention will be drawn to the other. My gut instinct which at this stage is the only thing to go by suspects Trick and not Miasg despite Tricks accusations. My vote stands.

He made a point throughout the day of not really accusing people, but adopting a "commentary role" as somebody else pointed out. His votes went for people who other people had accused - this one on Trick Pony and one on mikeblue which he stated in a later post was because he agreed with my reasons, when really it was because mike was the only person to have actually voted for Steve. Which strikes me as a bit hypocritical considering that he's now saying that that "tit for tat" type tactic is part of what makes him suspicious of MIASG and Trick Pony. He posted a couple of times saying that i was not suspicious, and he similarly tried to get Stevenryals on side, as steven pointed out, by agreeing with him alot - this is because we talk alot, search for clues alot and could genuinely cause his mafia a problem.

If you want to read back over the last 5 or 6 pages of day one as well, you'll see one person repeatedly pointing out why Trick Pony looks suspicious, and it isn't MIASG.

vote Steve Van Halen

He even said that it was a negative that an innocent didn't die last night..

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« Reply #403 on: April 10, 2008, 01:42:47 PM »
it was revealed that the one who was actually aggressive in the exchange was MIASG and not TP

I've re-read the posts (it takes a while now  >:() and I don't think I was the aggressor .. that might be your opinion but you say it was revealed?  by whom ?  he was accusing me of fence sitting - which I doubt - I voted twice plus he posted for me for being too quiet.  I think I wasn't.  While I voted for him relatively early I still thought he was evil and was being "controlled" by others posts - turns out possible masons and not mafia.

Also

miasg         amadjin                      4
miasg         vote trickpony      5

trickpony         amadjin                      4
trickpony         unvote amadjin         4
trickpony         vote stevenryals         4
trickpony         unvote stevenryals         5
trickpony         vote mikeblue         8
trickpony         very confusing possible vote for miasg   15
(very confusing as of yet not vote from trickpony)

I think from this voting that Admijin (and his successor mophead or was it hippo? damn more post re-reading), stevenryals, and mikeblue and myself definately aren't masons.    However the majority of us are posting and I still believe that some of hte really really quiet under the radar players are the true evil genius' here.

TCH - Do we get told the lynching and who and what happened and everything straight after the end of the day at the start of niht phase, or after night phase at the start of next day?

Also it has just dawned on me what my vote has just done but this is not a purposeful act and i didnt realise this before. plus most people were already on 2 votes anyway so chances quite high that I'd pick one already on 2.
  if you were remorseful why didn't you unvote?  also you were very keen to get to the night phase while being very quiet on day 1. 

VOTE AFROBOY until you convince me otherwise

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Re: Tripping the Rift Mafia - Official Game Topic
« Reply #404 on: April 10, 2008, 02:15:58 PM »
i only said that the fact that no one was murdered means we have no clues from which to work on.

Personally I am no suspicous fo miasg. his late post saying "god help me if im wrong" reaks to me of someone trying to absolve from blame.
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« Reply #405 on: April 10, 2008, 02:26:41 PM »
i cocked that last post up. I meant that I am suspicous of miasg!
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Re: Tripping the Rift Mafia - Official Game Topic
« Reply #406 on: April 10, 2008, 02:35:51 PM »
I've re-read the posts (it takes a while now  >:() and I don't think I was the aggressor .. that might be your opinion but you say it was revealed?  by whom ?  he was accusing me of fence sitting - which I doubt - I voted twice plus he posted for me for being too quiet.  I think I wasn't.  While I voted for him relatively early I still thought he was evil and was being "controlled" by others posts - turns out possible masons and not mafia.

I'm saying, TP was toying with you, and you were the one to respond with the F**K Knuckle comment..  and saying GD and whatnot..  eitherway, I was saying SVH's comments were invalid.

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Re: Tripping the Rift Mafia - Official Game Topic
« Reply #407 on: April 10, 2008, 02:43:09 PM »
so a very long day ends with trick pony getting it. for which i still cant fathom out how that happened.

I really do have this feeling that young Mophead has an evil role. I cant quite put my finger on why i feel that way, i guess it will come clearer to explain to myself, as well as you lot as the next day progresses.  :laugh:

Hippos current thoughts seem completly different to mine, I have SVH pretty high on my 'safe' list, yet i have Afroboy as highly suspect and Miasg not quite entering my thoughts yet.  ???

If we were to vote one of the 3 people who sent TrickPony to his death, i would have to agree with Miasg and go with AFROBOY... of course i'm not pinning my early thoughts on my other suspects to the mast yet, i need to re-read whats transpired a few times, Work constraints and shit connections has seen me be rather sporadic within the forum in general lately.  :-\ Hopefully my connection issues are fine again, and i'll be able to contribute more...

now ive gotta go and walk the dog!  :-X :dog:

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Re: Tripping the Rift Mafia - Official Game Topic
« Reply #408 on: April 10, 2008, 03:02:38 PM »
I have SVH pretty high on my 'safe' list,

Why?  he's not done anything to make me think he's not mafia.  As we all know, when the game starts NOBODY is on the safe list.. What's SVH done to make you think he's not mafia. 


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Re: Tripping the Rift Mafia - Official Game Topic
« Reply #409 on: April 10, 2008, 03:29:59 PM »
I'd like Afroboy to respond to why he voted for trickpony because there is a part of me that thinks he gave up reading ALL that went on that day and voted for trick because of steven's posts and never made it through the others where it looked pretty clear a bandwagon was happening.

As for MIASG, he allowed SVH to do all the explaining on the votes for trickpony without a PEEP until the voting was almost complete and it was obvious trick was going down.

As for SVH, well I feel all his voting, his defenses of miasg and his reasons that were poo for voting for trick are reason enough he's Tops of my list.

Either way, quite EASY Townies to figure this out! Only three people voted for an innocent

SVH
MIASG
Afroboy

So one of these is evil...or the alternative is that all three are townies that killed off another townie??? Highly unlikely if you ask me.

I'm going to go back and look at a few things today.





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Re: Tripping the Rift Mafia - Official Game Topic
« Reply #410 on: April 10, 2008, 03:45:27 PM »
What can we get out of this and night 1 ?? Myself, SVH ,and Afroboy are not Masons ... and there are at least 1 roleblocker role

Why is there a roleblocker role?  You would only know that for sure if you knew someone had the ability to kill in the night phase, which only mafia should know...  this information has not been disclosed by TCH to anyone..

FOS MIASG

HIPPO:

Why is MIASG's comment at the 11th hour sound innocent to you... sounds to me like he's trying to distance himself, which is totally mafia..

as for MOPHEAD:  it may be time to get him out here and defend himself.  he's not done this so far throughout any of the accusation towards him..  he's young and new.. so I'm going to make it easy for him this time around..

MOPHEAD:  please answer these question completely.

1)  you've voted happyaxeman, stevenryals and bluestarsneyes..  Please explain why in more that 30 words.  Real reasons, not just "seemed suspicious"   REAL reasons.. 

2)  why are you asking who the cop is?  why do you need to know this information? (more than 15 words please)

3)  you voted bluestars at the end of day1, who was defending trick pony..  who has now turned out to be innocent..  please explain that vote with more than just "she is just not getting involved".  (20 words or more please)

4)  get involved kiddo.  otherwise you'll be getting votes soon..


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« Reply #411 on: April 10, 2008, 04:57:29 PM »
I'd like Afroboy to respond to why he voted for trickpony because there is a part of me that thinks he gave up reading ALL that went on that day and voted for trick because of steven's posts and never made it through the others where it looked pretty clear a bandwagon was happening.

As for MIASG, he allowed SVH to do all the explaining on the votes for trickpony without a PEEP until the voting was almost complete and it was obvious trick was going down.

As for SVH, well I feel all his voting, his defenses of miasg and his reasons that were poo for voting for trick are reason enough he's Tops of my list.

Either way, quite EASY Townies to figure this out! Only three people voted for an innocent

SVH
MIASG
Afroboy

So one of these is evil...or the alternative is that all three are townies that killed off another townie??? Highly unlikely if you ask me.

I'm going to go back and look at a few things today.





why cant the three all be good and made a mistake
he didnt look really sus during the first day
svh didnt have many reasons to vote trickponynut you say he did all the explaining above
vote bluestarsneyes

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Re: Tripping the Rift Mafia - Official Game Topic
« Reply #412 on: April 10, 2008, 05:23:03 PM »
What??? Sorry your post yorkshire is a bit random, can't follow most of what you are saying as you say he a few times and I'm not sure who you are referring? I can't even follow really what you are saying about SVH...however I gather enough to call BS!

I said either at least one of them is evil or either they were all townies that picked an innoncent...and to that I said HIGHLY UNLIKELY!

Because to my rational thinking it is!

What are the chances that all three just happen to pick him? I don't know I guess it is possible just seems so unlikely to me...but to vote for me for saying it should be easy is frankly....bizzare. ..but then again you do have a habit of just posting a few lines and running off now don't you...I'll consider a tit for tat vote, but then again I'm sure SVH can SURELY start a bandwagon...oh no wait...GUT INSTINCT vote for me!

just keep talking folks...it's getting thicker in here as it goes I'd say!

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« Reply #413 on: April 10, 2008, 05:33:02 PM »
HIPPO:

Why is MIASG's comment at the 11th hour sound innocent to you... sounds to me like he's trying to distance himself, which is totally mafia..

Just from reading through, my perception of it all is that he genuinely believes trick pony to be guilty. And the last minute posting bit looked more like he was actually anticipating whether he was right, rather than trying to distance himself from being wrong. I might be wrong, but that's how i saw it. Steve Van Halen however, was trying to distance himself from it, whilst simulataneously maintaining that he thought trick pony was guilty, almost as soon as he made the vote.

And i thought that was a very bizarre statement from Axeman. Why would SVH be on a "safe list"? He has done nothing to suggest anything of the sort.

Afroboy DOES look suspicious as well though, and i'll have a read through to form a proper opinion on him. He seems to have slipped under the radar somewhat for me.

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Re: Tripping the Rift Mafia - Official Game Topic
« Reply #414 on: April 10, 2008, 05:56:07 PM »
why cant the three all be good and made a mistake
that's what she said, but that is (as she said) highly unlikely, especially considering one townie is gone now..

he didnt look really sus during the first day

thats it right there..  if he wasnt sus during the day to you, then it seems more obvious for you to assume that those who voted for trick (since he wasnt suspect per your post here) to be evil..  yet you are deliberately and blatantly defending SOMEONE in that list of three..  who is it..

svh didnt have many reasons to vote trickpony, but you say he did all the explaining above

oh.. ok.. thanks for explaining..  you are protecting SVH..  thats obvious now..

Here's a genuine example of mafia behaviour.   the two most common posters, Hippo and myself are sussing out SVH, and at the end of day 1, bluestarsneyes sussed him out fairly well also..

In steps yorkshireblue, manipulates words in a post.. puts the sus back on the original 'suss-er' so as to throw doubt into hippo and my sus of SVH..

does that make sense.. i typed it fast and used some words that i'm not so sure are real words..

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« Reply #415 on: April 10, 2008, 05:57:47 PM »
FOS YORKSHIREBLUE

VOTE SVH


sorry

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« Reply #416 on: April 10, 2008, 06:01:39 PM »
Woah hold on a second, most people who have posted in day 2 so far (i repeat MOST not all) are jumping on my back ver very quickly without really thinking about it.

MiasG (Aka quick blame someone else so I don't get most stick even though i might not be evil)


if you were remorseful why didn't you unvote?  also you were very keen to get to the night phase while being very quiet on day 1. 

VOTE AFROBOY until you convince me otherwise

I didn't unvote for the simple reason that I thought he was evil, I wouldn't of voted in the first place if I thought he wasn't. I am not remorseful for mafia, therefore i was not remorseful for TP at the time because I thought he was evil.

I was not very keen to get to the nightphase, I was keen to work out evil, I was wrong in the end of the day but I had looked around and thought about other people unlike you who had mostly been in a battle with him all day trying to get him killed, so when I do go back and see I think he's bad you jump on my back.

Steven Ryals


FOS AFROBOY for finalizing the kill with this reason:

it's eason to pass the blame to me, but if you read properly you'll see that my vote was removed, and i said very plainly that my reason for suspision was pure rubbish as he had been told outside the thread about the mafia having a list.. 

This was not "passing the blame" this was stating that i thought the reasons you had pointed out made him look evil. Passing the blame would be saying something like "well you also pointed out these reasons therefore it must be your fault to. I was not saying this, all I was doing was agreeing with you on the point.


I can't say anything more than I made the wrong decision, but I did not make this vote for any other reason people maybe thinking other than that I thought he was evil.

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Re: Tripping the Rift Mafia - Official Game Topic
« Reply #417 on: April 10, 2008, 06:06:01 PM »

This was not "passing the blame" this was stating that i thought the reasons you had pointed out made him look evil. Passing the blame would be saying something like "well you also pointed out these reasons therefore it must be your fault to. I was not saying this, all I was doing was agreeing with you on the point.

did you read all the pages? or vote after you read page 17 because you were tired of reading?  because after i made those points, it's very clear that those same points that made me vote for him were found by myself to be completely unfounded, and not reason to vote for him. 

I made the points, and i disproved them by finding out if he had been told outside the thread of a list of mafia..  and miasg and tch had both explained to him how that works..  so, therefore I unvoted..

so you are going to have to have a better reason than 'steven's reasons' because even stevenryals thought those reasons were crap, and not enough to make me hold a vote on him.. and certainly not enough to force a kill on him..


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« Reply #418 on: April 10, 2008, 06:13:16 PM »
IS IT AGAINST THE RULES TO VOTE JUST BECAUSE YOU THINK THERE EVIL AND YES I DID READ THAT PART VERY QUICK BUT I STILL BELIEVE HE LOOKED SUSPICIOUS EVEN AFTER!!!!!! >:(

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« Reply #419 on: April 10, 2008, 06:16:00 PM »
IS IT AGAINST THE RULES TO VOTE JUST BECAUSE YOU THINK THERE EVIL AND YES I DID READ THAT PART VERY QUICK BUT I STILL BELIEVE HE LOOKED SUSPICIOUS EVEN AFTER!!!!!! >:(

No need to shout, Afro. I guess people are just prone to stress when they've got something to hide?