Mafia 11 - Tripping the Rift Mafia - Town WIN

[hippo]

THEN hippo your list of narrowing to votes down to three was VERY ODD and probably the most suspicious thing to happen in the game thus far...you didn't take the ones with the top THREE votes you pick trickpony (who is out and clearly warned us he'd be out), mikeblue, and steven ryals....there were others that had more votes than these three...that seems a very odd way to pull those random names out...not to MENTION that you convientently left off MIASG your vote list entirely and I for one know he had at least one vote from me.

All very suspect if you ask me just reading on this first group....I'll keep reading and might add more later.

Okay, sorry, but who are these people with more votes that you're talking about?

The vote count above this post states that Mikeblue and Trick Pony are the two most with current votes. When you look at the stats i compiled elsewhere, those two are both up there on the FOS list and the "most votes in the day" thing as well. And while stevenryals has no current votes, he has 4 during the day and the second highest amount of FOS's. MIASG did have a vote from you, but you unvoted in order to vote for roomforrookie, after it'd already been announced i was taking over from him, and this then got removed after i entered the game. Go back and check if you want. I'm not the one making things up here.

I've done quite a bit in the 2 days i've been playing to try and help people come to a decision. WHICH WE HAVE TO IN THE NEXT 24 HOURS. Hence why i said we should narrow it down, because otherwise it's going to be coin toss between a whole host of people that could end up on 2 votes at that time. Which shouldn't be what people want?

[MIASG]

I wonder if MIASG had informed trick pony before the game of the roles adn the fact that Mafia members do in fact get a list of thier comrades..  can you confirm or deny this MIASG?  It's important, if you didnt, I'm 100% sure he's mafia.. if you did.. my argument is useless because he would have that knowledge anyway..

please respond before the deadline

he asked TCH and myself a lot of generals questions before we kicked off and we made him read a few of the old games .. since this game took a while to get going he had plenty of time to read. 

[MIASG]

vote trick pony although if trick pony turns out to be innocent miasg may look suspicous for the exchanges between them.

nice way to deflect the "blame" on me if he's innocent.  I've stated why I think he's evil .. if you've decided to vote for him you have done that on your own decision not mine .. or are you trying to start a bandwagon to vote off 2 innocents .. hmm. 
TP was here when I voted for him and he had plenty of time to respond - which he did.

and I agree Afroboy is too quiet ..

FOS SVH, Afroboy

[Trick Pony]

I cant remember ever going around pointing the finger at people in previous games but if roomforrookie signed up but hasnt been active then im going to

vote roomforrookie

either start playing or get out mofo. hopefully this should bring him out of his shell

Trick pony still hasnt convinced me otherwise. Im inclined to think steveryals is townie as he has sniffed around a few people but not stuck to anyone. Mafia are more likely to attempt to start a lynch on one particular person.

Hey guys my holiday was awsome so thanks for asking 

SVH I believe you said earlier that you wanted someone else to convince you ... you seem to have a nice tactic here which I will watch out for though you got nothing from it this time im sure you will try to use it again in your evil ways   

[Trick Pony]

SVH was on my suspicious list now he is trying to get roomforrookie lynched and protecting Steve....what is one supposed to make of this ??

yes this does seem suspicious though Im still catching up, so no further comments till im up to page 14 

[hippo]

nice way to deflect the "blame" on me if he's innocent.  I've stated why I think he's evil .. if you've decided to vote for him you have done that on your own decision not mine .. or are you trying to start a bandwagon to vote off 2 innocents .. hmm. 

This is a genuinely good pick up, and much better than alot of the other reasons for voting that people are throwing around.

I won't be on til after the deadline now, just so you all know. My vote's staying where it is, because of my previously stated reason about it getting us the most information.

Also, as i'm not going to be here to defend myself, i guess i should issue a response to stevenryals' sudden accusations in advance: "You're wrong". 

Happy hunting, people. Let's hope we can get lucky and take out one of the scum.

[Trick Pony]

do we know there is a cop role ? or is this an assumption ?

man it's hard to keep up with some of these long posts  ... I don't care if hippo joins but the same with mophead coming in your inclined to vote for someone else "in case" they are innocent .. for all we know they are important mafia ot townie roles and TCH is trying to keep the game balanced or at least exciting on day 1.

now if admadjin was the only one who didn't respond then roomforwookie did and since there's been a lack of posts then he's either busy, guilty, trying to lay low, or forgotten. 

I still think there are others out there who are very evil and my vote for Trick Pony stand for now.  He did his best to start a bandwagon on me without actually voting for me - but had no problems jumping on any going bandwagon or retalliate voting.  I know he's new but I think the mafia leader has told him to quieten down a little...  and his 4 day absense will help that.

Actually it was you who told me outside of the thread to not stick out like a sore thumb otherwise I would get myself lynched !

Also I note your descriptive terms im manipulating thought subconsciously, which is looking more and more evil I can only presume that your MAFIA MIASG though no votes till I finish reading all the posts

[Trick Pony]

Who exactly am I trying to protect???

You have been on my suspion list as well MIASG are you voting me cause I have voted your comrrad???

Maybe hes just trying to start a bandwagon or use retalliate voting, sounds familiar some where ... I just cant place it 

[Steve Van Halen]

The early aggressive exchanges between miasg and Trick pony led me to suspect both of you which is why if one is lynched my attention will be drawn to the other. My gut instinct which at this stage is the only thing to go by suspects Trick and not Miasg despite Tricks accusations. My vote stands.


Too early to comment on Hippo, he is still getting into the game and is trying to find holes in peoples posts at the moment

[Trick Pony]

Trick Pony was the only player putting real pressure on people from what i can find, and they got widely condemned for actually voting for someone and making them react. That's exactly what everyone has to do on day one. No votes, no pressure, no information.

I can see that there wont be any real pressure, well as aggressive asI have been as others have seen the number of votes getting thrown my way for applying it to MIASG, though I believe he has an evil role there seem to be a few others not mentioning MIASG so I believe he is a member of the MAFIA though im not sure which role he has.

[Trick Pony]

WOW nice post Hippo ..

alot of stevenryalls and laserblue combos and they've either FOS's or voted for each other too ..

I'm more confused now than ever    but I still think TP is evil and the mafia guys have hinted to him to settle down

This is the second time you have mentioned this evil MIASG I believe you and your MAFIA comrads have spoken about my behaviour and you are getting the two confused 

[Trick Pony]

ATTENTION ALL TOWNIES:  PLEASE READ AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND:
(it's early, and i'm still on my coffee... so i'm hoping this makes sense"

1st, I think we should rethink Mike blue..  he could be evil, but I feel more positive about Trick Pony..
the only problem is, tricky isnt going to be back until Tuesday..  but read this..

could this be a role claim possibly?

is this the one you are talking about Hippo?  where mike asked for a list? or claimed knowledte of a list..   I think you may be mistaken..  look at trick pony's posts below..  I think it is he that has this new list...



Now, after going back and reading through..  I'm going to have to say I'm not sure about Mike ..  but Trick Pony may be my new vote....  I feel more positive about it than I do about mike blue...

Didnt post in the first 3 pages, first post:  VOTES for AMADJIN for not posting in 3 days.. even though he himself  has not posted for 3 days..
http://happyaxeman.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=9774.msg108590#msg108590

secondly: 
second post, responds tit for tat, i voted trickster for jumping on the bandwaggon and he responds with "unvote amadjin, vote stevenryals"    and says "thats quick"... whats quick is how you pounced in with an immediate vote for someone who could be innocent..

and then he says this: 

now, would a newbie know that the mafia get a list of who's mafia?  NO.. they wouldnt..
this is the give away I believe..  I think this is an admission of guilt.  He's not claiming anything to do with masons..  but he's saying he knows that the MAFIA have knowledge of each other..  only mafia and past players know that.. 

Trick Pony, you are the weakest link..
http://happyaxeman.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=9774.msg108594#msg108594

next:  miasg and trick pony go back and forth for hours...   is this a distraction?  could they be in cahoots?? who knows..  they work together so it could be a bit of banter as well..

then trick pony goes on for a few more posts on page 7 with the moderator, and just goofing about..  not really saying anything game related..

he's out from saturday - tuesday on holiday i think per one of his posts..

now, on page 8, bluestars says she's confused:  Trick pony says:

Game Set Match... Mafia.. I cant see anyone innocent doing much of this...

also, remember the post where he declares someone has knowledge of a list..  but at this point HE himself should (if he were innocent) have NO knowledge of any lists or whatnot.. 

UNVOTE MOPHEAD (even though i'm fairly positive you are evil, or cult, or something not good)

VOTE TRICK PONY

A few things to clear up from your deluded state Steve 

Before the game started TCH and MIASG explained the game and how things roll. So basically they told me what the rolls are and that MAFIA get PMed a list of other MAFIA which is what I was talking about. I presume that you all knew about the list from previous games apart from the other newbies. 

[MIASG]

I believe he has an evil role there seem to be a few others not mentioning MIASG so I believe he is a member of the MAFIA though im not sure which role he has.

gee a few days off (I see your back a day early - was it the votes against you) and your still speaking gibberish and just agreeing with everyone

you talk about roles in the mafia?  you know this because your mafia?  and I can't see where I suggest your

manipulating thought subconsciously

anywhere.  I gotta go to training .. I'm sure you'll have some drivel for me to read when I'm back

[Trick Pony]

I wonder if MIASG had informed trick pony before the game of the roles adn the fact that Mafia members do in fact get a list of thier comrades..  can you confirm or deny this MIASG?  It's important, if you didnt, I'm 100% sure he's mafia.. if you did.. my argument is useless because he would have that knowledge anyway..

please respond before the deadline

And because they told me before the game im innocent

[Trick Pony]

Right, i really don't understand why you're going way over the top on a very minor piece of evidence. People working out that the mafia know who each other are isn't suspicious. The reason i pointed it out for Mike was that he just mentioned it randomly straight away and i thought it was odd - but it's not something that i'd say is a reason alone to lynch someone. Mike said this within the first 5 posts, and then it got discussed a little bit. Why would it then be suspicious for Trick Pony to know about it?

And before you start, what i'm doing isn't defending Trick Pony, because i don't know what they are, it's pointing out the massive flaws in your argument so that you don't just manipulate a load of people in to voting how you want them to. You've only gone after him since you knew he wasn't back to defend himself. Why's that then?

I voted for bluestars with a pretty valid reason for doing so, and you came out and attacked me for it. You didn't have any reasons for doing so, you just seemingly didn't like me voting for her. The reason you gave for not liking my vote was that i hadn't voted for somebody you'd accused yourself. You do seem pretty keen to get people to vote the way you want them to, don't you? Strikes me as a pretty manipulative tactic from a supposed townie?

I agree it does seem quite a weak move for an experienced player though 

Also I have noticed that Steveryals and SVH are defending Mike Blue once again so I believe the three of them are MAFIA, I think they have all voted for each other to escape the radar though they are easily changing votes and dismissing previous arguments on each other.
so FOS Steveryals and SVH are defending Mike Blue

[Trick Pony]

Firstly, Show me with a quote where mike said that, because I cant seem to find it..  I posted a quote of what I thought you may be talking about... but what you are saying makes me think you are referring to a completley different post..  you didnt really respond to that either, so I'm not sure if I found it but you and I disagree on its meaning, or if I missed it entirely..

You say:   
why would someone assume that mafia have a list if they are innocent and have a role that displays only thier character.  Townie PM's have a charachter, thats it.. (unless you're masons)but nobody elses role on it and certainly no lists, and if it was my first game.. I wouldnt assume that the mafia had an advantage on the town... but he has done this, which make me think either he's mafia or MIASG has told him off the thread that the mafia get this list.. and that's why I've asked MIASG to confirm or deny..

digging through posts, trying to find flaws in others arguments, and slipups by mafia is exactly what a you and I are doing.. Posting those flaws are what we are doing.. it doesnt make you a townie or mafia..  you could very well be mafia? who knows.  I am almost positive that mophead is guilty of something, but I cant find anything in his posts... well..  not anything definitive at least..  to suggest with enough certainty for others to vote for him.  I think Trick Pony has made a mistake and I am trying to capitalize on that.  If you have a better option for us to vot for please, come clean and tell us so we can make an informed decision.  Otherwise, it just seems like you dont like the information that I've brought forward.

I'm only one vote so I cant really "over react", but I'm using the same type of strategy "the newbie didnt know" strategy.. that you are using to vote for mikeblue..

I'm just not so sure we need to lynch mikeblue as I feel he's roleclaimed in an earlier thread..  dotn want to make a big deal about it.. because it could come back and bite us in the end..  but read into it yourself..

and SVH.. you are being too nice to me.. something is wrong..  what gives..   

Sounds like your definatley in a group steve, I cant believe your running with that list thing for so long ! As I have just said TCH and MIASG explained the rolls and told me that MAFIA members get a list so end of story.... sorry mate though good try with that one. Though you may have slipped up in this one
so once again FOS SVH, stevenryals, Mike Blue

[Trick Pony]

oh i see it, i totally  missed that..  so that's probably where trick pony got this from then.. 
I just hope he doesnt turn out to be a big town role..  like a detective or something like that..

in light of mike's previous post mentioning the list..  i must UNVOTE TRICK PONY as my whole basis for voting has now completely lost its foundation..

I addressed this a bit in my previous post..  wondering why he's being so nice.. he's quieter than usual for sure..

wow I didnt see that coming Steve I have almost caught up

[Trick Pony]

was just thinking.... who has afroboy voted for?   hmm...  i think the term is called "waffling"...  or maybe not.. i'm not a gramatician...

Afroboy is riding the fence like it's a fine tuned sports car..  you know if you have one leg on one side and one on the other... that can cause permanent dammage.. 

I guess thats why MIASG finally jumped over  though good point here Steve there are a few people sitting back having a few drinks and adding a comment here and there

[Trick Pony]

he asked TCH and myself a lot of generals questions before we kicked off and we made him read a few of the old games .. since this game took a while to get going he had plenty of time to read. 

no you or TCH specifically told me about the pmed list as I asked how would MAFIA members would know if they were voting for their own ...   

[Trick Pony]

nice way to deflect the "blame" on me if he's innocent.  I've stated why I think he's evil .. if you've decided to vote for him you have done that on your own decision not mine .. or are you trying to start a bandwagon to vote off 2 innocents .. hmm. 
TP was here when I voted for him and he had plenty of time to respond - which he did.

and I agree Afroboy is too quiet ..

FOS SVH, Afroboy

make up your mind evil MIASG... why are you talking about 2 innocents when you voted for me  obviously you voted for me thinking im evil though you are talking about a bandwagon involving me and you.  So either you are decieving everyone in saying your innocent or you know that I am innocent  and are keeping your safe unprovocative vote on myself so others dont vote for you, so once again sitting in a safe place not aggravating other more suspicious candidates, you evil little man