Mafia 7: Snakes & Zombies on a Plane Mafia - Tie!

[stevenryals]

I haven't had time until now, but:
Here is my case on Yorkshire:

He was silent with no posts, then we started to vote him to bring him out:

1st post: "I'm here, this game is different from the last" (all these, not word for word, but they're basically it)
2nd post: "I'm going to vote BIlly because he's done suspicious stuff"
3rd post: "we should put a limit on the first day, this is taking too long"
4th post" "and voting for me isn't going to help"
5th post: "Billyman hasn't posted for a while, don't lynch him until he defends himself, and it's been said people are working   
             together to bandwaggon him, but it's not true, and I'm sticking with my vote".

so we have 5 posts out of about 180, (now, 2 of his posts were just crap and useless, so it's more like 3, which is 1.6% contribution). I think before voting for someone, you should say at least one reason why (which yorkshire didnt do), and I only gave one reason why i was voting yorkshireblue before, but in true Steven style, I will bring more (and probably too much, but hopefully churchofhalo won't lose his $hit this time). 
so, we have 1 post to show he is playing, to get the eye off of him, followed by the first vote for billy (who is always subject to 1st day bashing, even by me sometimes) with absolutely no content whatsoever, and then a call for a nolynch decision because we are 'taking too long', followed by a comment(post#5) meant to clear his name after billy is lynched, so he can say "i told you all to let billy protect himself, but noooooo"

York will hold my vote.

Hippo: I don't think he's evil, he is putting himself out there too much to be mafia.. dont you think? 

I've never seen church defend billy before, so I'm suspicious about that, but it could be good, as I've stated they may be some form of a  good alliance (which hippo disagrees with 100%, but I'm not sure)

I need to go back and read amadjin's fozza accusations again, he seems to think they're good.. so i guess I owe it to him to give it a second read..

-steven








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Vote Count

Billyman (5): Yorkshire Blue, Raygyn Bull, TheQuigMaster, Hippo, Steve Van Halen
Yorkshire Blue (3): Dotleo, ManicMonkeyman, StevenRyals
Raygyn Bull (2): Fozza Gump, Billyman
Fozza Gump (2): Currieman, Amadjin
Hippo (1): Happy Axeman

Not Voting (1): ChurchofHalo


8 Votes in enough to chuck someone of the motherfucking plane

Im off to see S o a P now!

[hippo]

Why have you brought someone else accusing you of cheating you in to it? That's a bit random. Unless you're trying to indicate two points. Firstly, that you were right about me in a previous game, and so people should trust you again. Or secondly, that i have some kind of grudge and that would explain me accusing you. Both of these are false.

If anyone's using pyschology here, i'd have to say it's you. The little smileys designed to indicate, confusement, bewilderment, or worry. To make it look like you don't know why anyone would accuse such an innocent person as yourself, and that you don't know what's going on. Laughing, and telling me that i'm trying too hard, to undermine any points that i make.

You're not playing the game on gut instinct, you're making calculated moves. You're not bad at this game, you don't suspect me, you just see me as a threat.

[hippo]

I've never seen church defend billy before, so I'm suspicious about that, but it could be good, as I've stated they may be some form of a  good alliance (which hippo disagrees with 100%, but I'm not sure)

Exactly, what's more out of the ordinary: church defending billyman defiantly, or yorkshire posting very little and them not having much content?

[stevenryals]

HA... actually Hippo.. that's an excellent point.. but would you say, "I'm voting for Church because he defended billy, and he's never done that before"

But, it has to be said, "how many times have church and billy been masons together, never is the right answer... I'm not willing to take that risk, no matter how bad we want this day to be over.. . I just don't want to screw that up... 

day 1 is all guesswork, but it's the kind of guesswork where you use your best judgment, I'm not going to flip a coin and say, "yup.. Billy it is..  he gets my vote because it's day 1 and it doesn't matter.... "   

The only reason I would vote for billy right now if because of that deleted post.. and thats it.. but I find yorkshire more 'guilty looking' than Billy or churchy or even axeman...

i'm still sticking with yorkshire..

-steven

[hippo]

HA... actually Hippo.. that's an excellent point.. but would you say, "I'm voting for Church because he defended billy, and he's never done that before"

But, it has to be said, "how many times have church and billy been masons together, never is the right answer... I'm not willing to take that risk, no matter how bad we want this day to be over.. . I just don't want to screw that up... 

Well, i'm treating alliances (if it's a genuine alliance) as suspicious unless it's proven otherwise. I don't think they should be treated any other way. Lets say there's a couple of masons (if there even are any), a group of snakes, and a group of zombies. 2 out 3 times they're going to be evil. However random you think it might be, surely that's a better strike rate possibility than voting anyone else?

[stevenryals]

I've already said that its suspicious, but at this point, it's impossible to say, firstly if there is truely in fact an alliance, and whether it is for good or evil.   

Right now, if we lynch billy and he turns out to be evil, we can be fairly certain that Church is as well. That's the good news.
However, if we lynch billy and he is a mason, then we have one mason dead, and the mafia knows who the other mason is, and he will probably be targed in the night phase.  I just dont think that's even a logical gamble at this point.

Billy has been very quiet over the last 24 hours or so though, with only one post saying basicall, "vote for me if you want, it's going to be more fun to take the piss out of you aferwards that it will be for me to defend myself" . .. .. . ? any takes on what this may mean as to his game orientation??

-steven

[billyman]

been quiet because i have been in work and playing saints row on the 360.

the deleted post was and hippo will back me up on this as i know he read it, i called him a tit in an agressive manner when i was in a bad mood and because im a mod i decided to delete so as not to upset axeman but after further reviewing what hippo has to say i gotta say you are a


TIT*





pm expected from axeman

[Happy Axeman]

lol I have read what billy said, anything deleted gets placed in a deleted threads board. i thought it was a bit aggressive too, but could tell he was in a mood. i can restore if i wanted too. lol

I dunno what it is hippo, despite what you think, I am going off instincts. its how i play the game. I seem to be able to pick up on posts by certain people sometimes. your style of posting this game just seems similar to the game that got abandoned when i backed both you and Rayvon into a corner.

[hippo]

To be honest, i didn't actually find the deleted post that bad. I only really read it as "if you think im guilty, you're a tit".. even if it was supposed to be aggressive, it's not like i'm gonna cry about it. I don't think that should really be used as a reason to lynch billy itself, it was a pretty nothingy post.

Billy's clearly been lurking in a mafia sense though. First question about why he hasn't defended himself, and he pops up next post and defends himself. Why did he want to keep quiet? Because he had 3 other people counter arguing every point i could suggest about lynching him.

It doesn't help that it's only me and the people i think are evil posting. I mean i'm good, but even i don't think i'd be able to convince an evil group to vote for each other. Not quite anyway 

Axeman, couple of points to make. I've pretty much always been evil, why are you using one example from half a game? I play pretty much the same each time. I seem more animated this time because no one else is posting, and i seem to pop up every other post. And i genuinely think i'm right. I've had no help from anywhere over the course of the last few pages. Why does that make you think i'm working as part of a group? Answer: you don't.

[Sir Villain]

I have put too much work into the set-up of this game to have another abandonment so I would rather it doesnt that road again please.

Stop discussing previous games everyone, this is a completely different game with different roles for almost everyone.

As for the post deleting or any other rule that gets broken they will just get modkilled via deadly flamthrower.

As for the deadline, its cancelled. Its only fair if you have to make a choice between yourselves who your killing.

[dotLeo]

I'm inclined to think based on previous experience (last game really) that hippo isn't evil in this game.  The way he has played this game seems significantly different to the last game when he WAS actually evil, and it could be a shrewd change in tactics but I think it is more likely down to the fact that he has a good role in this one, which is why I am inclined to go along with his idea that Billy is evil (maybe he can spy?),- he certainly seems very convinced and makes a good argument.  I'm going out on a limb here, not entirely supporting him though, as (just to reiterate!) it's all a lot of guesswork at this stage

I'm not convinced enough to change my vote from yorkshire however; what steveryals said further backs this up. 

[dotLeo]

lol, previous two posts, while I was writing mine, sort of negate what I said :p

I still stand by what I said though, I think hippo has played this one more agressively (maybe not the right word?)..

[billyman]

unvote:raygyn bull

vote : hippo

because he pissed me off, and with what i have had to put up with in the last week i dont need pissin off

[sweeney]

Lol.

I have a tendancy to agree with Steven that if Hippo really was evil he wouldn't put himself out on such a limb to be shot down as he is being quite "agrressive" in his evil hunting. That would make him more of a target than most and g=looking at some of the votes that have been recently chucked his was, he may have been on to something

Axeman says that he plays the game on gut instincts and tried to basically read between the lines in what people write, which is surely how most of us play.

You try to get people involved in the discussion in the hope that they will say something incriminating to prove a theory correct.

But most of have have been playing this game for months now and are gonna be very cautious in what we say so as no to do that.

We already have clear allegencies (for this day anyway) forming even if they were not there from the start in Hammers original pm's to us.

[ManicMonkeyMan]

so were still going on with this day, lets just agree to throw someone of the motherfukking plane and let the game commence, because were getting nowhere fast

[ChurchofHalo]

So, happy axeman and stevenryals both don't find church's defense of billyman suspicious?

I don't care if Billy gets lynched or not, I don't know that hes guilty or if hes innocent, but then again neither do your so how do you not know that billy is innocent and so am I and that I could have been trying to save him from a lynch.

Its all crap though as I know nothing and cannot be bothered to to justify myself for what i said, my defence of Billy was not a defence of him it was a defence of the first lynch and the fact that Billy seems pretty unlucky be the one who goes.

And I know the reason does'nt make any sense bu neither did yoursso i will just say what you did.

I think, in fairness church, i have given enough reasons for my own views now.

I am going to vote for Yorkshire Blue as I personally think hes is the most guilty looking person playing.

VOTE:Yorkshire Blue

[sweeney]

How can he be the most guilty looking player when he is hardly playing? Lol

[ChurchofHalo]

How can he be the most guilty looking player when he is hardly playing? Lol

Thats why he is the most guilty

[billyman]

i have tried to get rid of the non posters already church they just picked on me :'(

[stevenryals]

I voted for yorkshire too, I agree, he looks pretty 'lurkey' to me.  so, I'm going to let it sit there and marinate a bit. 

-steven