Mafia 7: Snakes & Zombies on a Plane Mafia - Tie!

[sweeney]

My vote for Billy also sticks.

I'll stand by what I have said in my post when I voted for him.

And, being sceptical, I can't remember a time when Churchy has defended someone so much.

I know that he tends to be a little more "diplomatic" than some of the rest of us, but as others have said, it's the first day, as usual, it's completely random, and we can only hope that we break our losing streak of voting for innocents.

[hippo]

Sorry, axey, you're good at this game, and you know as well as i do that this is not a bandwagon. A bandwagon implies that it's very quick with a lot of people jumping on it, this hasn't happened at all. I don't know if you're in it with him, or not, or whatever, but there is clearly church defending him severely against a lynch. The only way in my mind to find out why this is, is to lynch billyman and see what his role is. If i'm wrong, fair enough, but i really really don't think i am.

[Happy Axeman]

I agree that churchy is defending him, but i'm looking at the overall scenario, hammer has used mason's in everygame, what if billy and churchy are masons?
A bandwaggon on billy was forming in a way i didnt like, that is why i backed out.

[ChurchofHalo]

I'm not defending Billy against a lynch its far too late for that hes 90% certain to be the first victim anyone playing tha game can see that,  I just wanted to know your guys motivations for voting for Billy

You can lear a lot from what people say

[i2i Killer 89]

From reading all of this there are 2 ways that I look at it.

There's the people voting for Billy which are: Hippo, Yorkshire, Raygin, Quigmaster and Steve Van Halen
Then there are the people that aren't voting for Billy which are everyone else.

For me, I think that there's atleast 1 person voting for Billy, maybe trying to deflect any attention from them, and possibly another who is trying to form the bandwagon.

I can see the reasoning for voting for Billy as he has done some stuff that looks suspicious but, for me, Fozza looks the most guilty which is why I voted for him.

Billy may be evil, I don't know, but as it's the 1st day it's going to be very hard to find out who's who. Therefore I'm going to keep my vote on Fozza and then if Billy is lynched, which is looking quite likely, then on day 2 we can try and work out who's who depending on whether Billy is good or evil.

I just don't know so I'll keep my vote on Fozza

[yorkshire blue]

billyman hasnt posted for awhile so we havnt really heard what he has to say for himself so y dont people wait to see what he has to say i wouldnt say that people are bandwaggoning on bill he only as 3 or 4 votes and its also been said that the people votin for him are working together that is not true either and i am stickin with my vote

[hippo]

I agree that churchy is defending him, but i'm looking at the overall scenario, hammer has used mason's in everygame, what if billy and churchy are masons?
A bandwaggon on billy was forming in a way i didnt like, that is why i backed out.

I'm pretty certain that if they were masons, with him this close to a lynch, we'd have been told by now. It'd make the other unlynchable.

As it is, churchy's backing down from the defense because he's realised no one's changing their minds, and he's trying to distance himself from it.

Just my thoughts.  

[Sir Villain]

Deadline removed......You don't need it anymore.

Vote Count

Billyman (5): Yorkshire Blue, Raygyn Bull, TheQuigMaster, Hippo, Steve Van Halen
Yorkshire Blue (2): Dotleo, ManicMonkeyman
Raygyn Bull (0): Fozza Gump, Billyman
Fozza Gump (2): Currieman, Amadjin
Amadjin (1): Happy Axeman

Not Voting (2): ChurchofHalo, StevenRyals


8 Votes in enough to chuck someone of the motherfucking plane

[hippo]

Removing that deadline worked well.. 

[billyman]

billyman hasnt posted for awhile so we havnt really heard what he has to say for himself so y dont people wait to see what he has to say i wouldnt say that people are bandwaggoning on bill he only as 3 or 4 votes and its also been said that the people votin for him are working together that is not true either and i am stickin with my vote

i have already said im inoocent im human and you are making a mistake and i will take the piss out of you(the ones who vote for me) for your crap deductions of which couldnt be any further from the mark than they have been so go ahead and through me off the plane i will get far more fun out of sending you pm's to rip you to bits than i will sitting trying to think of ways of making you believe me

[stevenryals]

OK I'm back, America has a lovely holiday called "labor" day, not sure what it's for, but I get to not go to work!!! so I'm a fan!!
Anyway,

For me, the only think Billy has done to arrouse my suspisions is his deleted post, and that has to be more 'blatant' rule violation than suspicious...  I feel like billy is going to end up being something besides a normal townie, be that a mason or evil, but I agree with happy on this one, right now I dont feel like it's worth a lynch.

Here is what I see as suspicious:

its also been said that the people votin for him are working together that is not true either and i am stickin with my vote

Yorkshire:  How are you so sure that people aren't working together to lynch BIlly? you say this very definatively as if you know who the evil people are, and the only way for you to know that is to be evil yourself.

Hippo, you make decent points, but I feel like thats the same kind of information I used to lynch Fozza last game, and I turned out to be wrong.  I'm more inclined to lynch Yorkshire at this point.

Happy Axeman:  What is your evidence, or whatever, on Amadjin, you said he's suspicious to you, but what is it that he has done to be suspicious?

Vote YorkshireBlue

-Steven

[hippo]

So, happy axeman and stevenryals both don't find church's defense of billyman suspicious?

[stevenryals]

I find it totally suspicious Hippo, I think its either 1 of 3 things, church & billy working together for either good or evil, axeman and billy working together for either good or evil, or all three of them working together for either side?  I just cant say right now if it is good or evil.  It's not a good idea to come out as a mason on day 1, because evil people will be targeting you on the first night, so, if Billy is a mason, it would be smart for them to wait until the very last momemt for them to come out and protect billy. However, if this is true I think billy probably would have let this out by now... 

Hippo, do you not find the statement by yorkshire to be almost a blatant admission of guilt?  Saying things so definitively on day one means you know something, in my opionion.

-steven

[hippo]

I don't think they're masons at all. It would have been revealed by now, guaranteed. The only way that i can see billy being innocent, is if church is playing it cleverly. He could well be protecting him in a very over the top manner, because it looks likely billy's going to be lynched. If he's evil he could be taking a guess that billy's good (rather than on the other evil team), so when it's revealed that billy's innocent, church will also appear so.

I think it's quite odd, steven, that you find someone saying that they're not working with some other people, to be more suspicious than somebody trying to show that they are.

It's random on day one. Church, happy, and steven.. you've all said words to this effect during today. Why is it not a viable option to vote for billy? If it's random, why are you looking for concrete reasons. We all know that concrete evidence on day one doesn't exist. You're contradicting yourselves.

In fact, i suspect happy, church and steven MORE than i suspect billy. It's far far far too obvious what church was doing for it to be real.

We need a few different people posting and making votes, there are a few people that haven't used there's yet. Maybe the reason church hasn't voted is because he doesn't want any voting patterns being used against him tomorrow.

[Happy Axeman]

eh? i havent said i dont find churchys motives suspect. so dont put thoughts into other peoples minds as though i have.
to me it looks like you are very cleverly putting peoples names constantly linked to bad roles. this to me is showing good skills of subversive commenting, and your doing very well.

I have nothing to do with anyone and am on my own.

I play this game on my gut instincts, and peoples actions and posts were telling me i could be wrong on billy so i retracted my vote.

I'm going to again go with my gut instincts and retract from amadjin for the time being as his input has been insufficient. and i'm going to vote someone different who has scaled up my most suspect list.

unvote Amadjin

Vote Hippo

[froganomis]

my input hasnt been insufficient,i voted,pointed out my reason why (which you should all go back and look at...seriously...i think im onto something) and then just sat back and waited for more suspicious posting than fozzas which to me hasnt occured yet

[hippo]

eh? i havent said i dont find churchys motives suspect. so dont put thoughts into other peoples minds as though i have.

Well, i asked a question. I didn't say that you didn't find it suspicious, i asked you whether you did. If you're that defensive about being inquired about, it shows you up a bit doesn't it?

[Happy Axeman]

I wouldnt say i was being defensive about it, i would say i was trying to say how you appear to me to be trying to manipulate peoples thoughts. so perhaps i am onto something when you come back at me straight away with an attack? 

[hippo]

I ask you a question > you vote for me for it > i remind you it was a question > you tell me i'm attacking you.

Seriously, it's not me that comes out of that badly.. even if i am a vote richer because of the little exchange. The whole game's about putting thoughts in people's heads, or we'd get nowhere.  The only difference between what i'm doing and what you are doing is, that i'm putting thoughts designed to help the good team win. You are not. Or if you are, you're doing it in a misguided fashion.

[Happy Axeman]

lol thats just gave me giggle. you really are trying too hard.
i would say your fight or flight responses are kicking in.
you have convinced my instincts that your evil. last time you did this type of game i was accused of cheating by your mate rayvon and the game ended.