Mafia 16 - Mixed Theme - SK Win

[Sir Villain]

Another give away's that for both potential lynches now, you've voted for the person yourself, and then immediately tried to incriminate anyone else who votes after you. But you've still done the same as they have. Why are you allowed to vote without hearing these people speak again, but if anyone else does, they're definitely dodgy? You're contributing as much as anyone else to their death. Similar to the way you put your whole vote on Stevenryals' opinion yesterday - you're always just trying to make sure nothing comes back to you. No liability; no likelihood of a lynch.

Indeed.

Again you have tried to twist my words. I voted early on those people to show my disapproval, then unvoted to stop it esclating. I didn't try to incriminate the ones that voted after me 3rd, and 4th, but said that anyone that just chucked on some final votes without letting them speak would look dodgy.

But by the same token, i don't think you'd have picked up on Hammer defending a fellow mafia in any way on day one, so it kind of balances out. I think he'd be more likely to jump on it, and vote and accuse.

But now that Laser has been found to be the godfather, not even mentioning it, because obviously you were trying to divert people away from Laser at the time, and weren't saying something you actually believed in.

Make up your mind?

In response to one of your earlier comments about me not denying I am a Serial Killer, why would I need to? Its a baseless accusation with nothing to go on. I'm prepared to claim if I have to, but are you? Not so sure. There is danger that in focusing solely on me we are ignoring the lurkers who are just ignoring the game with no pressure. Masterzulu, Axeman and others I think, have not even commented on Day Two yet. What's the point in all this bickering if theres not even enough of us playing to get a lynch? You know people wont even read these last posts anyway, half of them are in Dreamland.

Indeed.

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Here's an up to date votecount without Wes, and I think it is meant to be 7 votes for a lynch since it is normally Half + 1. Clarify away Hammerbro.

Vote Count
Yorkshire Blue: 3 (MAISG, TCH, Sir Villian)
Mikeblue: 3 (Currieman, Happy Axeman, Trick Pony)
Sir Villain: 1 (Hippo)

6 Votes for a lynch
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[i2i Killer 89]

Currie this seems exceptionally sus you vote mike then say your sure he has a night action though your not sure if hes good or bad ... so why vote for him for that ? making yourself look worse when you could have just vote for him for his odd actions on the first day... unless I totally missed your point of view that comes across as a possible mafia slip in my mind for a recless reasoning to vote someone who could potentially have a great town night action... 

Well he was one of my highest suspects in day 1 anyway and now that I think he's got a night action makes me think he's obviously got a power role but at the moment I can't tell whether he's good or bad but he's definitely the most suspicious in my eyes so I voted for him. The likelihood is that he is bad, I just wanted to say that I was unsure whether or not he was good or bad because it's the truth. I don't know which he is, I just think he is evil

[MIASG]

arrghh can't sleep 2:00am in the morning here - body aches .. plus a good almighty storm going on outside - may as well check the weather rader and post something whilst it settles down and I try to nod off again ..

Well he was one of my highest suspects in day 1 anyway and now that I think he's got a night action makes me think he's obviously got a power role but at the moment I can't tell whether he's good or bad but he's definitely the most suspicious in my eyes so I voted for him. The likelihood is that he is bad, I just wanted to say that I was unsure whether or not he was good or bad because it's the truth. I don't know which he is, I just think he is evil

talk about sitting on the fence .. sort of .. just in case .. you know .. he might be bad .. but he could be evil as well .. maybe a neutral .. but I think he's bad .. but he might be good .. etc etc etc ..

hammer no probs about the roles .. I love how every game is different - keeps it .. fresh.

This villian vs hippo stuff is getting intense .. you both know how to push the right buttons .. I'm just trying to figure out if villans trying to out hippo by getting him to reveal or hippo's lead him down this path to make him look more suss .. One thing I do agree with Sir Villian is that there are too many who aren't posting .. 2 of which have 3 votes each on them ..

[Happy Axeman]

so wes was modkilled? there has been no confirmation that he was modkilled.
if he was modkilled for inactivity, then shouldnt I, Masterzulu and mikeblue of been modkilled too?

My vote is staying on Mikeblue until he decides to come and make an appearence and speaks up for himself.

[MIASG]

so no explanation why you''ve been missing ?

[Quig]

Wesmancity decided he didn't want to play anymore.

Vote Count
Yorkshire Blue: 3 (MAISG, TCH, Sir Villian)
Mikeblue: 3 (Currieman, Happy Axeman, Trick Pony)
Sir Villain: 1 (Hippo)

6 votes for a lynch.

[Steve Van Halen]

Der Villain V Hippo reaks of one of them trying to deflect suspicion to me. With these in depth contributions from both I would hope they are both wrong and are town but for some reason I cant see it. You both have your reasons but can you see the other been town as well or are you going to continue until one of you is lynched?

[MIASG]

Der Villain V Hippo reaks of one of them trying to deflect suspicion to me. With these in depth contributions from both I would hope they are both wrong and are town but for some reason I cant see it. You both have your reasons but can you see the other been town as well or are you going to continue until one of you is lynched?

how are they deflecting suspicion on you exactly ?

[Tommy Caton's Hairstylist]

well at the moment it's either Mike or Yorkshire who will most likely lynched. Though neither is making any effort not to get lynched.

so unvote Yorkshire and vote Mike both seem to have behaved guilty but at least Yorkshire posted once.

[hippo]

so no explanation why you''ve been missing ?

Can't see us getting one to be honest. He's not the only one, but he knows he can fly under the radar, because so many others are. Someone else pointed it out i think, but he did turn up to contribute about 3 minutes after day one ended - that's quite suspicious. I'm sure he'll be back on day three.

Der Villain V Hippo reaks of one of them trying to deflect suspicion to me. With these in depth contributions from both I would hope they are both wrong and are town but for some reason I cant see it. You both have your reasons but can you see the other been town as well or are you going to continue until one of you is lynched?

Well yeah, he is trying to deflect suspicion. He quite clearly only started accusing me, because i accused him. I genuinely can't see how people don't agree with the things i've said - he even agreed with one of them himself. Anyway..

Because spoonfeeding, without revealing explicitly isn't going to work apparently, my role involves me learning something about someone each night - i don't get "evil" or "good", i get a random clue about that person, which i didn't think would tell me much at all, but i'm pretty sure it has this time. I've written what that little detail is within a previous post, for the purposes of pointing out after i've heard a claim of character (not so much role, if i'm entirely wrong, i don't want that much needlessly being brought out in the open), whether this claim he promised is genuine. If it matches, i'll drop it and move on, if not, i won't. I've also indicated who i am in an earlier post as well, for all you clue hunters. I'll tell you if people genuinely can't find it.

Read my posts now won't you, haha.

[Sir Villain]

You'd have got away with it if it wasn't for this pesky Hippo as well.

So Scooby..?

You have a clue which indicates that I am a bad guy right. Here you accused me of being Smaug the Dragon, so surely your clue backs that up. I don't understand why you would accuse me of being a dragon if you had a clue that stated something else. One hole in your scheme?

If that's the case, and you're not mafia, but are a serial killer, i'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that you did in fact "roleclaim", in the way that you like to (quoting Nina's last words in the last game), right here..

Good shout. Since Bauer was in the game and we have just had a 24 Mafia maybe he has put someone in from Lord of the Rings/The Hobbit...Smaug the Dragon?

I too left left a small clue as to who I am. Show me yours, and I'll show you mine. If your clue doesnt match up to my role, then it is clear that you are lying. Are you prepared to prove your innocence?

Der Villain V Hippo reaks of one of them trying to deflect suspicion to me. With these in depth contributions from both I would hope they are both wrong and are town but for some reason I cant see it. You both have your reasons but can you see the other been town as well or are you going to continue until one of you is lynched?

I can see a scenario that Hippo is town, because I can't be sure about anyone. Yesterday I was convinced Stevenryals was mafia, and that turned out incorrect so I'm not certain about anything anymore. Hippo has come out with a claim that if someone else had claimed it, he would have jumped on as being ridiculous, but in this game with a first time mod it might be true. My role certainly isnt conventional. I am more confident that the true mafia are hiding amongst the non-posters, and already suspicious ones that are lurking which is reflected in my vote, but Hippo seems to have made this a personal crusade to get me lynched so that makes me feel very uncertain about his intentions. I feel this will only end badly for the town if he continues down this role.

[hippo]

I'm Scooby aye, i figured that bit was obvious.

I see you're desperately fishing for clues, so you can fashion a claim that fits. What i've said is out there, waiting to be highlighted. It's fun this, i know you've been scaling the thread for aaages now, looking for what it might be, so that you can fashion something close to convincing as a claim. As more time passes, the doubts just continue to grow and grow.

I can see a scenario that Hippo is town, because I can't be sure about anyone. Yesterday I was convinced Stevenryals was mafia, and that turned out incorrect so I'm not certain about anything anymore. Hippo has come out with a claim that if someone else had claimed it, he would have jumped on as being ridiculous, but in this game with a first time mod it might be true. My role certainly isnt conventional. I am more confident that the true mafia are hiding amongst the non-posters, and already suspicious ones that are lurking which is reflected in my vote, but Hippo seems to have made this a personal crusade to get me lynched so that makes me feel very uncertain about his intentions. I feel this will only end badly for the town if he continues down this role.

Backing down and accusing the non-posters again now that you know i have something on you, trying to cause doubt amongst the indecisive. Will it work? I fear it might actually, but it really shouldn't. I was kind of hoping you'd prove me wrong and come up with something that would justify it, but it seems somewhat unlikely now - because i reckon you'd have just come straight out and said who you were, if you were town, in the face of such a claim. Needing time, indicates creating lies to me.

[Sir Villain]

This is getting silly because now either of us can accuse the other of the same thing. You say you have a clue as to my identity which I don't believe you have. If its so obvious, then just highlight it. If it fits my character then I will believe your town, but until you do then I have no reason to out myself. You sound more and more desperate by every post.

You completely ignore my point that you have already accused me of being Smaug the Dragon? What possible reason would you have done this if you have a clue indicating I was someone else?

I'll give you a chance to prove your innocence though.

I'm a Video Game Character from the Nintendo Universe. Is your clue still compatible? Accuseing me of making up lies, while dancing around revealing your clue just makes you look worse?


Anyone reading this and believing Hip-propaganda just take a minute to think. I'm not, not revealing my character name, because I'm desperately trying to think of a lie (because there are millions of potential roles out there I could claim if I needed to lie), but its because that I can prove to myself that Hippo is lying if he doesnt provide a clue to match my character. I think hes Mafia and he has took a massive gamble with potential massive rewards. He has pinned all his hopes on me being Cult/Serial Killer/Neutral whatever and come out all guns blazing to get me lynched and make himself look good, so he can coast through the rest of the game.

Can't see us getting one to be honest. He's not the only one, but he knows he can fly under the radar, because so many others are. Someone else pointed it out i think, but he did turn up to contribute about 3 minutes after day one ended - that's quite suspicious. I'm sure he'll be back on day three.

Heres you are accusing the non-posters merely two posts up by the way since you just pointed out I did it.

[hippo]

No, if i tell you what detail i know first, then you're quite clearly going to come out with a claim to match that detail. You don't need to know what the clue is to claim and be accurate, if you're telling the truth. Like i said, i don't get stuff about alignment, i get a detail regarding each person's character. I've already said you don't need to claim your role, just your character. And i've written what i know about you within a post over the course of day two. Where have i said since that it contradicts me accusing you of being a killing dragon? I haven't have i? You're fishing for details, so that you can make the most educated guess. Anyone can see this. If they bother to read the game this is.

[Tommy Caton's Hairstylist]

i don't know why you two are fighting so much when everyone else is voting for either Mike or Yorkshire and the chance of either of you being lynched this day is slim to no chance

[hippo]

i don't know why you two are fighting so much when everyone else is voting for either Mike or Yorkshire and the chance of either of you being lynched this day is slim to no chance

Haha, great.

I hope he doesn't get lynched. I hope he wins.

I'm sure there's a completely innocent explanation for him going from being "willing to claim" in order to prove me wrong a page ago, to now not being willing to at all. It has nothing to do with the fact that he's completely backed in to a corner, with no actual way out, barring a massive slice of luck, is it? He's almost told everyone that i'm right in these pages, but that it doesn't matter because people won't read any of the posts between us. And he was right.

I'm off til monday anyway, so do what you wish.

[Tommy Caton's Hairstylist]

enjoy the weekend, not much happens over weekends anyway so we're be lucky to get through another page by then.

[MIASG]

I can relate to Villans character - possibly (there are so many Nintendo characters to choose from) ..  TCH why should we just concentrate on 2 people who aren't posting .. I get the feeling these 2 (hippo and der hammer) are outing each other as townies or al least potential townies .. what good is it to just vote mike or york and let it lie for day 2 ? 

[Sir Villain]

No, if i tell you what detail i know first, then you're quite clearly going to come out with a claim to match that detail. You don't need to know what the clue is to claim and be accurate, if you're telling the truth. Like i said, i don't get stuff about alignment, i get a detail regarding each person's character. I've already said you don't need to claim your role, just your character. And i've written what i know about you within a post over the course of day two. Where have i said since that it contradicts me accusing you of being a killing dragon? I haven't have i? You're fishing for details, so that you can make the most educated guess. Anyone can see this. If they bother to read the game this is.

I have given that I am a Nintendo Character? Surely your clue should back that up. Your saying this makes me look dodgy, but I can say the same about you and around in a circle we go? I say my name, you say that your clue says something different to get me lynched and then what? From your side you think if you say your clue I will just fabricate a lie and accuse you of lying, so dont accuse me of being the one who is fishing for details. I too have left a clue to my identity in a previous post.

Your getting increasingly desperate at the end of every post pleading with them to read it, although it seems as though quite a few people are and not really agreeing with your argument.

I can relate to Villans character - possibly (there are so many Nintendo characters to choose from)

Exactly, so surely with his clue, and the information I have said so far then he should be able to tell me my character? The fact that he hasnt seems to indicate that his clue doesnt match at all, and he is worried about revealing it. He probably has several very vague clues all about the game ready to bring up the closest one.

I'm sure there's a completely innocent explanation for him going from being "willing to claim" in order to prove me wrong a page ago, to now not being willing to at all.

Me claiming now would only give the mafia more information on the town. I have one vote on me at present from someone who I have strong suspicions on at the moment. Why on earth would I claim? If you dont reveal your clue, or it doesnt match me then your rumbled. I have left a strong clue as to my identity in a previous post, not some vague clue that no one else can spot.
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Ok since Hippo has gone for the weekend, im going to wait til he is back to directly respond to him.

The non posting is getting really annoying. It just makes the game pointless. Zulu, Mike, Yorkshire, ...any thoughts please.

[froganomis]

unvote hammer this is makin less and less sense as the day is wearing on lol.so hammer has indicated his role as being a nintendo character (which doesnt surprise me) and what is hippo claiming? a clue indicating a possible lie?