Mafia 16 - Mixed Theme - SK Win

[stevenryals]

Oh, that's some blatant twisting of what he actually said. He said it was better to lynch a normal townie than risk losing a power townie. I don't agree with the logic - it's better to go for someone who, in my head, at least has a good chance of being evil, rather than someone i think's probably just town and nothing else. But, he didn't say what you said he did.

no it's not , that's exactly what he said.

If he has a boring role as you suggest then better to lose a normal role if he is a townie that a power role. I can't see any reason to keep him playing. I'm happy to wear the brunt of it the next day if he is town but at this point he's not helping the town cause anyway.

I assume there is supposed to be a comma after "role" on the first line..  read above..  this is the quote.. exactly what TCH has said.. 

[stevenryals]

Steven, this looks very suspiscious.
I have called you on this before and was ignored, but now it is so blatantly in front of people they cannot ignore it.

Steven said there was only two reasons to defend someone: being Mafia or Masons. He used that to accuse me of being mafia pages ago, but since then people like Miasg etc have been defended other players without much mention from Steven.

absolute bollocks..  my vote is on Laserblue as I feel I've stumbled upon mafia.  Him and YB to me are 'for sures' in my book..  that's where my vote will stay..

Laser is usually very cool and calm under pressure..  the very mention of him slipping brought more of a backlash from laserblue than i've seen in ages..    yorkshire blue then jumped all over me for it..  now.. YB never does this..  this is certainly different and enough to hold my vote firmly on laserblue..   

Since my vote, you've been shit slinging trying divert attention from laser..  and you've done it rather blatantly.. 

Not sure whether Hippo and Steven are on the right track, but the choices are clear. Non-posters are not helping the town lynch the mafia. They need to be targetted. Laserblue is defending Afro, but the votes should be directed at Afro, not Laser. If Afro turns up mafia then we can look back at Laser, but for now Afro has to be pressured.

this was a very poor move..  Laser was the one under pressure, he was the one who jumped on the defensive, then thats when yorkshire blue came in with his big poo post..

you have more controll than YB, but this is your version of his post..  deflect attention from laser..  and knowing that afroboy is town you say:

If Afro turns up mafia then we can look back at Laser,

Since you know he's town it's easy to say that..

in reality, if you were a townie, why would "if afro turns up mafia then we can look back at laser" make any sense at all?  it wouldnt.  He's the one that wasn't telling telling us that Afro was at his grandads, playing footie, had loads of homework (like he's done out of courtesy in most previous games)... etc etc..  saying that if Afro turns up Mafia we should look at Laser..  I think the EXACT OPPOSITE..  afro will be fount to be a normal townie this game as he couldnt be arsed playing it..  Laser on the other hand..  will turn out to be the godfather.  I'm sure of it..

FOS Hammer  for your first big slipup.

[hippo]

Well, if we're being picky..

"If he has a boring role as you suggest then better to lose a normal role if he is a townie that a power role."

should be..

"If he has a boring role, as you suggest, then it's better to lose a normal role (if he is a townie) than a power role".

That's how i read it anyway? And then the second half of your quote was from the next sentence. Looks to me like you've quoted half of one sentence, and the following one, then bolded it to try and make it look like it's all the same point, in order to trick anyone just skimming through.

It's like me going

it's Laser and Yorkshireblue I believe

and saying you're linked with them. You've completely removed the context in an attempt to try and create something new.

TCH i think is trying to take an easy option, by persisting with this afro thing, despite it being suggested that he could be replaced, and the pretty decent logic associated with why afro probably isn't interested in the role and his game. That's suspicious. Not this crap.

[stevenryals]

I read it the other way, which is why I thought it was completely sus..

and you've ignored my previous post on hammer.

[Sir Villain]

absolute bollocks..  my vote is on Laserblue as I feel I've stumbled upon mafia.  Him and YB to me are 'for sures' in my book..  that's where my vote will stay..

Laser is usually very cool and calm under pressure..  the very mention of him slipping brought more of a backlash from laserblue than i've seen in ages..    yorkshire blue then jumped all over me for it..  now.. YB never does this..  this is certainly different and enough to hold my vote firmly on laserblue..   

Since my vote, you've been shit slinging trying divert attention from laser..  and you've done it rather blatantly.. 

this was a very poor move..  Laser was the one under pressure, he was the one who jumped on the defensive, then thats when yorkshire blue came in with his big poo post..

you have more controll than YB, but this is your version of his post..  deflect attention from laser..  and knowing that afroboy is town you say:
 
Since you know he's town it's easy to say that..

in reality, if you were a townie, why would "if afro turns up mafia then we can look back at laser" make any sense at all?  it wouldnt.  He's the one that wasn't telling telling us that Afro was at his grandads, playing footie, had loads of homework (like he's done out of courtesy in most previous games)... etc etc..  saying that if Afro turns up Mafia we should look at Laser..  I think the EXACT OPPOSITE..  afro will be fount to be a normal townie this game as he couldnt be arsed playing it..  Laser on the other hand..  will turn out to be the godfather.  I'm sure of it..

FOS Hammer  for your first big slipup.

I would possibily agree with you, apart from the one fact that Laserblue is Afroboys dad..hence why I have given an allowance for fatherly protection from Laser. The "If Afro turns up mafia" comment makes perfect sence because if Afro is mafia then the whole protection could be viewed in a different context, although I think if they were in a mafia together Laserblue would have done a "hippo" and voted for Afroboy early.

As for diverting attention away from Laserblue, I think I have mentioned him in every post of mine recently? Hardly a masterwork of deflection is it...you however made some very sneaky move on TCH in the hope to bring some flak on him for nothing when he clearly meant so say than instead of that, which has

When you say you are sure of Laserblue being the godfather, does that mean anything or just speculation?

Either way, like I said before, Afro is being replaced so we should think of other avenues for now. What do people think of TP as a lynch? I believe he has the most votes at the moment.

[hippo]

I read it the other way, which is why I thought it was completely sus..

and you've ignored my previous post on hammer.

No i haven't, i've read it. I didn't reference it in my previous post because i started writing it before you posted your second post, and then just didn't bother editing it when it said another post had been added.

This seems the only way forward. Not sure whether Hippo and Steven are on the right track, but the choices are clear. Non-posters are not helping the town lynch the mafia. They need to be targetted. Laserblue is defending Afro, but the votes should be directed at Afro, not Laser. If Afro turns up mafia then we can look back at Laser, but for now Afro has to be pressured.

This quote, that you used, and pointed something else out (an alright point) is suspicious for something else as well. I know Hammer knows that if you're mafia, you don't defend your own on day one. You defend somebody else entirely, because it'll obviously look good when the other person dies, or bad on the other person when you die. Suggesting that because Laser has defended Afro, makes afro and Laser probably of the same alignment to me is completely false. It's more likely the opposite. So yeah, that could be dodgy. But by the same token, i don't think you'd have picked up on Hammer defending a fellow mafia in any way on day one, so it kind of balances out. I think he'd be more likely to jump on it, and vote and accuse.

Laser's reaction is still the most noteworthy and voteworthy thing for me. Well, it's joint with YB's outright defense of him.

[MIASG]

This could just be gifting mafia an easy way into day 2 and I bet if Afro does get lynched and you look at the people who voted for him then atleast 2 of them will be mafia out of the 8 voting. I'd much rather lynch someone that I thought was suspicious (like Trick Pony, Laser or Mikeblue) than kill off Afro before I've had a chance to really try and figure out what role he has.
Sure, if he does the same on day 2 then lynch him but I just don't think we should be lynching someone with so little information. No matter how much people say that day 1 is guesswork, you can put in a little bit of evidence for most people but with Afro the only reason for voting him at the moment is that he isn't posting

if he's the easy lynch then your just gifting the mafia an easy lynch the next day on.  Replace him or just erase him from the game.  If SVH will post then I say replace - fine by me. 

The Aussie Three have all come out defending each other which could mean anything, but I think Trick Pony our best lynch. If he turns up mafia, then we potentially learn alot about the other aussies. His actions have scum written all over them, and unless he gives me anything to suggest otherwise I think he is our most likely mafiaosa. Feel free to disagree, TP 
Vote:Trick Pony

  WTF - I think I've agreed with TCH about the afro vote but what have I defended him from ?? as for TP I've said he's acting his usual way just not at me .. again hardly an iron clad defence of him... as for me I don't anybody in the game has come out and defended me on anything let alone the other "aussies"..  maybe you could cite some examples for me becuase I can't see how you conjured this thought process up

[MIASG]

Afro is being replaced so we should think of other avenues for now. What do people think of TP as a lynch? I believe he has the most votes at the moment.

I'd like to wait to see if Afro gets replaced first of all .. at least TP is posting and he can try to defend him self .. and even then 'd like to see what his replacement has to say about things .. I think TP is someone whose posts are suss but I don't think he's def mafia yet .. I'd actually have you up further up the list Sir Villian then TP right now. 

Steven you have shot right up there with your post about TCH - doesn't matter how you read it they way you presented the arguement was through a full stop .. what if I said I'd like to vote.  Stevenryals  is an obvious choice right now .. would that vote count?  no .. but a big FOS on you though

[stevenryals]

doesn't matter how you read it they way you presented the arguement was through a full stop ..

seems to me that how I read it is all that matters..
The way hippo says tch "meant" to write it make sense..  still doesnt make sense to me in the original post..


Cant see why more people are voting for Afro than Laser.. 

[Sir Villain]

if he's the easy lynch then your just gifting the mafia an easy lynch the next day on.  Replace him or just erase him from the game.  If SVH will post then I say replace - fine by me. 
  WTF - I think I've agreed with TCH about the afro vote but what have I defended him from ?? as for TP I've said he's acting his usual way just not at me .. again hardly an iron clad defence of him... as for me I don't anybody in the game has come out and defended me on anything let alone the other "aussies"..  maybe you could cite some examples for me becuase I can't see how you conjured this thought process up

What would the point of erasing him from the game? Presumably it would unbalance it in favour of one team. SVH will replace someone, and I am sure Hammerbro is on the case.

True you havent been defending TCH, but surely you have to concede you have been defending TP. Even in your last post...

I think TP is someone whose posts are suss but I don't think he's def mafia yet ..

So hes suspect, but not definitely mafia...? and again here

this is true Sir Villian,but it usually means he's town and I'm not ready to vote for him as yet.   There are other people not playing at all with whom you could also say are not helping town and therefore are also a best lynch candidate.

I'm saying your actions have been suspicious, but was just commentating that to me TP looks very dodgy and you and TCH [although looking back, fair enough TCH is innocent of this. I made a mistake of just lumping you aussies together] seem to be sticking up for him. Then in a clear display of tit4tat I become one of your top suspects in response to my mild questioning.

In my mind Trick Pony, Stevenryals and Mikeblue are my top suspects.

Steven has repeatedly twisted words and attempted to start wagons over nothing, but this is his general style in the last few games since he has adopted this route, of "your either with me, or your a retard" attitude. Is he mafia? Not convinced yet, but he is trying his best to sway me.

Mikeblue said some very suspect things, and has seemingly disappeared from the limelight so maybe that needs to be looked at..why has he gone relatively quiet last few days.

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Sir Hammer  - Active
MIASG - Active
Stevenryals - Active
YorkshireBlue - Barely Active
Currieman - Active
Hippo - Active
TCH - Active
Amadjin - Active
Laserblue - Active
Trick Pony - Active now

Mikeblue - Not much last week
Wesmancity - Not very active as i recall
MasterZulu - Not very active
Afroboy - non existent? Replacement?
Happy Axeman - not active since Oct 28th? Replacement?
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With only 9 players being active it is going to be extremely hard to get this 8 vote lynch, so we need everyone to come together and properly make their opinions known on what has happened. People are coming on, responding to one direct point to them, and going away for days, coming back, responding to the response, instead of going back and actually finding some analysis on other peoples actions which is why there remain a few of you who havent made a comment on Mikeblues actions, or Stevens twisting, or TP's general scumness? These are the best things we have specifically that we are gonna get in Day One, so people need to comment on them.

[Trick Pony]

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With only 9 players being active it is going to be extremely hard to get this 8 vote lynch, so we need everyone to come together and properly make their opinions known on what has happened. People are coming on, responding to one direct point to them, and going away for days, coming back, responding to the response, instead of going back and actually finding some analysis on other peoples actions which is why there remain a few of you who havent made a comment on Mikeblues actions, or Stevens twisting, or TP's general scumness? These are the best things we have specifically that we are gonna get in Day One, so people need to comment on them.

ok Sir Noob, show me or explain the posts from where your talking about my general scumness...  since thats all you have on offer for me making your top 3 list... that would have to be one of the worst ever reasons in the history of the game, I actually expected more from you being an old player.. I guess being old doesnt always come with experience maybe dementia for your case...   

your definatley not helping the town so add yourself to your own list along with Amadjin... Your overal logic for this day is bs and your struggling to find something to hang onto.  I know im town so it really doesnt matter what bs you come up with as this will fall back on your face on day 2 if I get lynched today it will be your un-doing

[MIASG]

What would the point of erasing him from the game? Presumably it would unbalance it in favour of one team. SVH will replace someone, and I am sure Hammerbro is on the case.

True you havent been defending TCH, but surely you have to concede you have been defending TP. Even in your last post...

So hes suspect, but not definitely mafia...? and again here

I'm saying your actions have been suspicious, but was just commentating that to me TP looks very dodgy and you and TCH [although looking back, fair enough TCH is innocent of this. I made a mistake of just lumping you aussies together] seem to be sticking up for him. Then in a clear display of tit4tat I become one of your top suspects in response to my mild questioning.

In my mind Trick Pony, Stevenryals and Mikeblue are my top suspects.

I added the bit about erasing Afro (and I mentioned it a few pages back) to see who would bite .. mafia would complain .. maybe his role is the Invisible Man and he's just staying in character 

I can see how you think I was defending TP but it was more for his style like this (and his last post since - which is typical TP - argue -tell someone they are stupid-accusses them of being mafia-doesn't vote for them) is usually what he's like as town.  I also didn't say you were my top suspect just that you were higher in my list then TP .. don't know why you think that's tit4tat .. you've admitted about TCH and said that you lumped us together as a whole .. so why wouldn't I find that suspicious.  I agree that Steven and Mikeblue are very suspect .. it's not the weekend or a monday so I don't know why Mikeblue has been quiet lately .. maybe he has nothing else to say? 

seems to me that how I read it is all that matters..
The way hippo says tch "meant" to write it make sense..  still doesnt make sense to me in the original post..

you can argue that fact all you like .. it's how you presented it in your post that makes it suss.

[stevenryals]

there remain a few of you who havent made a comment on Mikeblues actions, or Stevens twisting, or TP's general scumness?

I find it very interesting that you've AGAIN..  tried to divert attention away from LASERBLUE..  Why have you left out Laserblue here?

you're not even looking at him..  wonder why?

[stevenryals]

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yet another post without a mention of Laserblue..


he's dropped off the radar and you've forgotten him.. all of you..

fu**ing hell.   I guess all the mafia have to do is not post.. 

this is why I kill my self every game..

[Tommy Caton's Hairstylist]

well afro doesn't post and we don't vote him off so it's not surprising not many people post at the moment.

[MIASG]

yet another post without a mention of Laserblue..


he's dropped off the radar and you've forgotten him.. all of you..

fu**ing hell.   I guess all the mafia have to do is not post.. 

this is why I kill my self every game..

I also didn't mention the other 80% of players  .. I didn't know I had to comment on Laserblue eveytime I posted ... I have said before that if laser was mafia then why would he protect or look to protect afro?  unless afro is mafia with him .. there were things that he said after that still to me remain very dodgy .. this is what I had posted yesterday Steven .. again why I had to comment on it again ?

your encouragement of saving YB in the last game kept him alive from me at night for a while .. but becuase he knew who he was doesn't mean you knew he was mason .. I also took that at the time meaning you knew he was good and I thought you wer egood on day 1 in 24.  I also strongly disagree that Afro was posting alot more in the last game - from my recollections he was missing for large chunks of the game - part of the reason I killed him at night and that was long after you had died.  This time you don't know what he is becuase he's not posting - true.  I still believe if you were mafia you  wouldn't give a shit if people voted for him unless he was too .. that also means you could be cult and your indifferent.  You seem to have plenty of time to posts .. from your posts I can only conclude that he is still around .. I think I've given him enough time to come on - it's been a long time since his last post on the 29th ..so my vote is going to go on Afroboy - he's hiding as he thinks his mafia mates will save him .. or he just doesn't care to play.  VOTE AFROBOY .. it'll be interesting to see if he re-appears if he's close to being lynched.  Hippo's just posted ... Hippo how can you say you'd rather vote off Zulu for his non posting rather than someone who's just not on at all ?? we'd only get to day 3 or 4 and still know nothing about afro ... if you put pressure on the others then you know you can get answers back ..

and by the looks of it Happy hasn't bee non for longer ...

[MIASG]

Happy last active 29th Oct (must be getting lucky) ... afro's is now the 4th Nov ...

I was going to change my vote to happy but afro's had the chance and put nothing down .. speaks volumes to me.  Hammerbro - any indication if you are going to replace either of them ?

also Mikeblue you've been very very quiet since I had a go at you a few days back

[froganomis]

I'd rather him just disappear from the game and we continue with day 1 .. but that aint gonna happen.

has no-one noticed how sus this looks? surely replacing him would be far better than him 'disappearing' or being 'erased'? it would only be good if he was mafia,but seeing as we dont actually know,it would be better for him to be replaced by someone we can get information from?.if we were to go by what you said,we could be a townie down before the lynch?

and steve whats with your apparent insistance over the last page or so for voting for laser,and that everyone needs to notice what he's up to? it's all well and good to think he's evil,but damn...why the barrage? apart from defend afro,i dont get what makes him sus,please explain,i havent been on in 2 days and may have missed something

[Sir Villain]

yet another post without a mention of Laserblue..


he's dropped off the radar and you've forgotten him.. all of you..

fu**ing hell.   I guess all the mafia have to do is not post.. 

this is why I kill my self every game..

Maybe we are missing the obvious? Steven seems to be sure about Laserblue. His actions make completely no sense unless he is absolutely sure? If Steven is just going on Laserblues reaction, then its strange that he is coming out so strong on him because no one else really sees it. Maybe he is going on some other information...that or coming out strong on a scumbuddy to make himself look good.

Here he is pretty much threatening to kill himself unless we vote for Laserblue. That seems pretty certain to me. If you look back at Stevens post he started mentioning Laserblue in a subtle way early on like saying he was specifically dodgy for being inactive when at the time several players were, but he didnt comment on them. For fear of Stevens head exploding, and to explore a potential avenue....


Vote:Laserblue

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ok Sir Noob,

I actually expected more from you being an old player.. I guess being old doesnt always come with experience maybe dementia for your case...   

So am I a Noob, or an old man? Make up your mind? Why are you whinging about being lynched? Your no where near it. The reaction to some vintage mild probing has made you look worse.  When I am town and someone accuses me, I calmly rebut their point, and point out something else that I have noticed about someone elses actions, because I am confident I wont be lynched because I am playing town. You have come out early all guns blazing screaming for the hills with "it be on your head if I am Lynched!!!" style stuff. I cant make 7 others vote for you without some proper evidence which I have already admitted, but your reaction is interesting....if you are a pro-town player then sit down, shut up and try and help the town.

[Sir Villain]

and I am still deeply hurt by you calling me a nob 

I could barely finish my breakfast