Mafia 13 Lord of the Rings - Town Win

[MIASG]

yeah that's why I hate the post death post .. TP tried to do that to me last game .. save it for the deadmans thread.  The trouble is now a few of us have read it (and possibly formed an opinion) and some haven't.

maybe in future and postdeath posts have to go through mod to post on there behalf ?

[hippo]

  bahahahahaha

also I was thinking about hippo's 2 mafia left .. if there were 2 left then all we would have to do is role claim today kill the obvious mafia  and  the survive 1 kill tonight and wrap it up tomorrow ..

there's no way there are 2 left ..  17 started .. 1 serial killer .. and 3 mafia .. leaving 13 townies?  I'm pretty convinced there's 4 mafia + 1 serial + 12 townies ..

Well you might be right, but from my experience, it's usually nearer a quarter of the players being evil, than a third, to make it balanced. Didn't read the last game, but if that's what happened then maybe you're right. In which case, i think we'll struggle.

Afroboy and Trick Pony. In my mind, these are the evil ones.

[MIASG]

the 2 previous mafia games ..
Tripping - 12 players 1 SK 2 Maf 1 GF - 1/3rd
Xmen - 14 players 1 SK 3 Maf 1  GF  - just over 1/3rd 35%
LOTR - we have 17 with SK gone and 1 maf gone ..  if we look at 1/3 then we are looking at 5.6 evil people .. so 1 sk + 4 mafia is plausable.  I guess 6 isn't out of the question either but the fellowship have many people

FROM Wikipedia:
The Fellowship of the Ring

Frodo Baggins: A hobbit, nephew of Bilbo and protagonist of the story. He is 50-60 years old as he leaves on his quest to Rivendell.

Samwise Gamgee (Sam): A hobbit. Before the quest, he was Frodo and Bilbo's gardener, but during it he is Frodo's companion.

Meriadoc Brandybuck (Merry): Another hobbit. Frodo's friend. Accompanies him on his quest.

Peregrin Took (Pippin): Another hobbit who accompanies Frodo, Sam and Merry to Rivendell. He is shown to be fairly clumsy.

Gandalf the Grey: Mysterious wizard that is seen in different parts of Frodo's quest. He helps Frodo as much as he can, while attending Wizard Meetings and going on his own special business.

Aragorn (Strider): Ranger from the North, who accompanies the hobbits from Bree to Rivendell, and then becomes a member of the Fellowship. It is revealed he is the Heir of Isildur and of Elendil. He receives 'the sword that was broken long ago' and had elves reforge them for him. He has named the sword 'Anduril'.

Legolas: Expert Elven archer. His father is the Elf-prince of Mirkwood.

Gimli: Dwarf, son of Gloín. His favourite weapon is an axe. Suspicious of Legolas at first but a valiant member of the company.

Boromir: Son of Denethor, Steward of Gondor. He is tempted by the Ring's powers.

Other

Gollum: An evil creature, once lived by the name of Smeágol. Unfortunately, Smeagol killed his companion in order to obtain the one Ring and was therefore called Gollum from then on. He struggles to keep control of himself but is sometimes thrown into trouble because the spell that the Ring had put on him in order to get back onto the hands of Sauron, the Dark Lord. On a quest to find Frodo and claim his ring back, luckily for Frodo Gollum swears a promise to the Ring and must help Frodo reach the Cracks of Doom He calls the Ring 'My Precious'. He is seen to follow the Fellowship on their journey through Middle-earth across the mines of Moria and through the lands of Lorien.

so that's 10 (including gollum) plus Sauron and the ? nazgul.  we also know elrond and bilbo don't come along.  Possibly 3 more townie characters in Arwen and Galadriel and treebeard. 

maybe there's a character that's neither townie or evil maybe someon'es the ring ! 

[MIASG]

shit I'm confusing myself even more .. the first posts says we have to kill sauron ,the nazgull, and gollum (thanks mafia) but what about (also from wikipedia - lotr - fellowship - I figure TCH will get photo's from the movies)
 
 
Saruman the White: The fallen head of the Istari Order, who succumbed to Sauron's will via his use of the palantír. After capturing Gandalf, he creates an army of Uruk-hai to find and capture the Ring from the Fellowship.

Sauron: The main antagonist and title character of the story, who created the One Ring to conquer Middle-earth. He lost the Ring to Isildur, and now seeks it in order to initiate his reign over Middle-earth. He cannot yet take physical form, and is spiritually incarnate as an Eye.

Lurtz: The commander of Saruman's orc forces who leads the hunt for the Fellowship as they head to Mordor.

I would have thought Saruman would be here somewhere ..

[yorkshire blue]

liverbird where is this post with what you think of everyone like you said in the lounge
the only posts you have done is short mainly pointless ones
svh posts two pointless posts then dissapears so it looks like hes posting but not really any use
so these are probably the most sus to me

[Steve Van Halen]

So it looks like we have an intact group of masons and two broken groups. Wes has claimed to be a member of one group but his fellow mason hasnt come forward. I think that if he wasnt a mason the intact group would now be lobbying for his lynching so I am starting to believe him.

I find it suspicious after a day of attempting to probe Axeman that Hippo takes credit for putting pressure on him after Axeman gets killed in the night. I think that Hippo genuinely thought that Axeman was a townie and got lucky by killing Gollum in the night when he thought he was taking out a townie threat.

FOS Hippo

[Steve Van Halen]

Well I expected a response in this time seeing as Hippo has been on here for about an hour so I will test the water

Vote Hippo

[hippo]

I find it suspicious after a day of attempting to probe Axeman that Hippo takes credit for putting pressure on him after Axeman gets killed in the night. I think that Hippo genuinely thought that Axeman was a townie and got lucky by killing Gollum in the night when he thought he was taking out a townie threat.

FOS Hippo

I think you'll find that the reason Happy Axeman was killed by the mafia, was either his accurate picking out of main suspects (laserblue, trick pony and mophead), or because there were a number of quotes like the following one from MIASG, where people stated that one of me or axeman are definitely evil. They'd have killed him, thinking he was innocent, to try and make a lynch on me happen.

Happy Axeman vs Hippo - throws doubt and makes me (and Wes it looks like) thinks one of you evil

[hippo]

How suspicious does this following quote look now we know who mophead is?

Axeman whats your beef with mophead - that's how's he's played this game good and evil   

[Steve Van Halen]

Il be totally honest that was just a theory I drummed up along with the vote to get a reaction out of you.

The MIASG quote does look iffy but then I have said something similar which you pointed out. He is right, even if he is good he plays the game the same way so its hard to tell!

Doesnt mean that you may not be onto something though.

Laserblue - as I have stated I am starting to believe him at the moment. I instigated a move on him in the previous day but I wasnt taken out in the night. This could have been because the mafia saw Axeman as a bigger threat though. He also changed his vote to swing the tide towards mophead, would a mafia member sacrifice a colleague for his own survival or allow himself to go to the gallows?

Im still suspicious of both Laserblue and Hippo but will have to look through a lot of peoples posts...

[Tommy Caton's Hairstylist]

well we have a vote


Hippo has 1 vote



six votes are all that is required for a lynch.

[MIASG]

hippo I was mearly pointing out that mophead was playing no different to other games and axeman comes out with a half page quote fest from mophead and I wanted to see why he thought he was bad .. as it turn out the both were.

[MIASG]

So it looks like we have an intact group of masons and two broken groups. Wes has claimed to be a member of one group but his fellow mason hasnt come forward. I think that if he wasnt a mason the intact group would now be lobbying for his lynching so I am starting to believe him.
I find it suspicious after a day of attempting to probe Axeman that Hippo takes credit for putting pressure on him after Axeman gets killed in the night. I think that Hippo genuinely thought that Axeman was a townie and got lucky by killing Gollum in the night when he thought he was taking out a townie threat.
FOS Hippo

how do we know wes isn't part of the broken up masons ?  your logic doesn't make sense to me.  I've got no idea if wes is part of mason group a, or the remaining mason of b or c .. do you ?

[MIASG]

liverbird where is this post with what you think of everyone like you said in the lounge
the only posts you have done is short mainly pointless ones
svh posts two pointless posts then dissapears so it looks like hes posting but not really any use
so these are probably the most sus to me

Liverbird I gotta agree with yorkshire on this you've posted twice and basically only really asked if roleclaim is allowed. 

As footynewb and I alluded to yesterday Trick Pony has changed his style of play .. and he's been very very quiet and said nothing and done nothing to help the town..   mate I think we've swapped roles from last the last game .. this time i'm townie and your mafia ..

vote trick pony aka the

[wesmancity]

 VOTE: LASERBLUE   i have said before why.

 >:DYorkshire   you are not out of the woods yet.

[Sir Villain]

Trick Ponys post is essentially gibberish. People having a 50-50 chance of being Mafia/Town/Serial Killer

He doesnt think that the current votes are really being thought about, and everyone seems to want to end the day. This is an obvious mafia move, he claims. Currently about 9 people have voted, and he is saying therefore that everyone is using an obvious mafia move.

His comments on Hippo are strange, as are his on Axeman and I have no idea why he is speculating as to who he thinks are the hobbits. They need to stay as unknown and safe as possible. We have already lost one, and one suspected hobbit out in the open.

A blatant attempt to cover Laserblue as well with no reason why he thinks hes innocent, and again no substance of a reason on why he is certain Mophead is mafia.

To continue my theory is that TP and Mophead are in a mafia together. By standing up for Laserblue, when Laserblue is lynched and turns up innocent (if he is) then TP can have a free pass. Likewise if its Mophead that goes then he can similarily claim that he was a main man  in a mafia lynching. Not certain right now but enough for me to Unvote:laserblue at the moment until TP and Mophead answer me

Since half my theory has proven true, I'm going to Vote:Trick Pony

Great result last night.

[Steve Van Halen]

how do we know wes isn't part of the broken up masons ?  your logic doesn't make sense to me.  I've got no idea if wes is part of mason group a, or the remaining mason of b or c .. do you ?

HThe fact that theres 3 mason groups is a bit of a twist. I have no idea what group he claims to be a part of so lets hear it from him!

We dont want anyone else to come forward. Wes what mason group are you a part of?

[Tommy Caton's Hairstylist]

Vote count

Trick Pony     2 Votes
Hippo            1 Vote
Laserblue       1 Vote

Yet to vote  AfroBoy, Bluestars, Hippo, LaserBLue, Liverbird, Trick Pony and Yorkshire Blue


6 votes to cause a lynch, deadline Midday Saturday

[MIASG]

WES I don't want you to answer that ..

if he says A then he may have the ring
If he says B then he's a pippen (or merry which everone didn't die)
if he says C then gimli

I don't want to take the risk that he's in A .. and expose him to the mafia .. right now all they know is one of the following .. he's lying to us or he's in one of these groups.  Why kill him off if you can link him to someone else.  If he's A then we want him alive as long as possible as if it falls to someone like me I can only hold the ring for 1 night.  If he's telling the truth then they'll have no idea.  

SVH if he is mafia then he'll have other buddies out there and I think we have to trust him for now.  Your actions in trying to out him doesn't look completely townie to me .. looks like you may be getting desperate.  Surely there are other, more stronger, candidates for mafia out there.  

[Trick Pony]

Liverbird I gotta agree with yorkshire on this you've posted twice and basically only really asked if roleclaim is allowed. 

As footynewb and I alluded to yesterday Trick Pony has changed his style of play .. and he's been very very quiet and said nothing and done nothing to help the town..   mate I think we've swapped roles from last the last game .. this time i'm townie and your mafia ..

vote trick pony aka the

WOW do you actually read any of the posts ? I stated early on in the game that I have changed my gaming style as I kept getting killed for being vocal, and look where it has taken me  

MIASG your entire reasoning for voting me is because I changed my playing style, nice try on the bandwagon attempt MIASG you   mofo you have been waiting on something lame to vote me like the past 2 games   just because you said your a townie doesnt mean a thing, you have lied your way through the past two games and convinced everyone from the start that you were innocent but IM NOT BUYING IT !!! your definatlety evil, talking about playing styles changing, your investigating every little piece of this game, probably because you have so much spare time though from fence sitting in the past few games through to investigating every little detail from everyones posts doesnt seem right for someone claiming to be a townie and your posting style history.

I know you have been watinging on this for a while so VOTE: MIASG you