Mafia 13 Lord of the Rings - Town Win

[bluestarsneyes]

sorry my responses are in the quote in red....wasn't sure how to post that to be honest.

[Steve Van Halen]

Just thought I would tell you all that my girlfriend is going to be hogging the pc tonight and I will be away all day tommorow.

No voting for me for not posting, scumbags!   

[mophead]

I sure am gald Bluestears is doing all the work and not anyone else.

[hippo]

The only thing that is factual is that they BOTH finger a HIPPO in their last fosing and voting and both ended up DEAD!

Yes that's true.

Hippo...smart player

So you think i'm smart, but would kill "BOTH" of the people who suspected me the most. If you really think a role exists that could kill "BOTH"? Or are you just being a bit sensationalist to try and incriminate me? If i was evil, you wouldn't have been able to track me back to the killings - that's what us "smart players" are like. Is this the world's worst set-up attempt, bluestars?

Actually that is NOT backed up by the facts...matter of fact if you actually read what I posted you will see it was actually Hammersbro that made more than 7 accusations all together and for votes he outnumbered pointed out folks 3-4

I did "actually read" what you wrote. Did you read it yourself? The "7 accusations" you're talking about include a vote for no lynch and unvoting afroboy twice, so let's not just start lying about things eh? You know exactly what i mean about Steven as well, as you indicate here:

he is posting his more pick at people side so I'm sort of leaning to townie on him

So you think he was picking at people, trying to provoke a response, but believe that the only people he actually accused and could have a potential motive for killing him are on your list?

I also said mophead was somebody Steven thought was evil and you said this wasn't backed up by facts?

Mophead is evil.. i'm telling you.. i can read him like a text message sent on the worlds largest phone..   

mophead:  evil :  Easier to read than a comic book made for retards.. (no offense if any of you are retarded)(shame on me)

you're evil mop.... evil.. you may have them fooled bit I can read you like a message in a bottle sent from a slightly blind man who only had a very large pen to write his message with.. and he assumed that a very large and easily to read message would serve him better than anything else... that's how easily i can read you.. like that..

I think he's evil... I've not been wrong yet..  First game I said he was evil on day one.. 2nd game I said I thought he was innocent..  now I believe he's evil again... 

Care to, you know, reconsider that? I'd say that was motive enough? Maybe you're working together, and decided to try and get away with his death by making a list for use to pick the next lynch, that just conveniently missed all of these accusations out?

I sure am gald Bluestears is doing all the work and not anyone else.

Which makes this make more sense.

unvote Laserblue
vote mophead

FOS bluestars just so my suspicion is registered on your next list..

[Dickens Cider]

mophead only fosed laserblue
footballnewbie why did you change your vote

cant you read ??
to save my own ass...
already explained this... keep up...

[Happy Axeman]

!@$£, what a shitter. Not a good night at all.

The lynch on Mikeblue, I can see why people would vote for him. I had him down as a suspect, along with StevenRyals.

I am puzzled for the motive of killing Hammersbro, he didnt really offer much apart from his 'No-lynch' motion. So Like Hippo has mentioned, I see no reason for his death.

As for StevenRyals, He is always a high profile target so it came as no suprise to see him dead, hell, I even took him out in the 1st day of last game when i was serial killer! lol ... but that was because i was sure he was mafia. lol
Who's skin did he try and get under most? his familys, Bluestars and Mophead.
Bluestars I am still err'ing on the side of caution but am still swaying to being good, but Mophead?

I sure am gald Bluestears is doing all the work and not anyone else.

what does that mean exactly? 
not only that, but he calls Laser for creating a bandwaggon, what bandwaggon?

Without Mr Ryals, we have Hippo. I like Hippo, he adds a bit of pressure to peeps and make people think. he says a lot and works things out using sound logic most of the time, but I also think his style suits both Alignments. the one thing that I have picked up on is that he does keep changing his vote far too regulary... this obviously makes it harder to pin him down as mafia if your looking at vote patterns... and he knows it.

VOTE HIPPO

[mophead]

I really dont know what to think about anyone right now.

[bluestarsneyes]

Yes that's true.

So you think i'm smart, but would kill "BOTH" of the people who suspected me the most. If you really think a role exists that could kill "BOTH"? Or are you just being a bit sensationalist to try and incriminate me? If i was evil, you wouldn't have been able to track me back to the killings - that's what us "smart players" are like. Is this the world's worst set-up attempt, bluestars?

I did "actually read" what you wrote. Did you read it yourself? The "7 accusations" you're talking about include a vote for no lynch and unvoting afroboy twice, so let's not just start lying about things eh? You know exactly what i mean about Steven as well, as you indicate here:

So you think he was picking at people, trying to provoke a response, but believe that the only people he actually accused and could have a potential motive for killing him are on your list?

I also said mophead was somebody Steven thought was evil and you said this wasn't backed up by facts?

Care to, you know, reconsider that? I'd say that was motive enough? Maybe you're working together, and decided to try and get away with his death by making a list for use to pick the next lynch, that just conveniently missed all of these accusations out?

Which makes this make more sense.

unvote Laserblue
vote mophead

FOS bluestars just so my suspicion is registered on your next list..

Alright Hippo...you are really fired up....let me say it this way....IF you are town...then I have no problem going back and forth with you on some of these issues to lead us to hopefully the RIGHT evil person to lynch...however...I do ask that if you are town...you please make sure you aren't just leading a charge against another player simply for me asking you questions.

I'm not offended by the questioning...but I feel you attempt to twist and shade a bit...which is normally your game but if you are town you obviously know we are fighting for our lives at this point and the town is in no shape to fight one another...that being said...here's my responses

1) yes I think you are smart....lol! want a cookie!

2) sometimes making an "obvious" kill does not make you stupid...but keenly smart to use the..."I'd be too smart" defense.

3) I have no set-up...I don't know if you are town or mafia or killer or anything...I want the TOWN to lynch the evil ones period and if that means I question everyone...yes even YOU..I will do it if I see you put something on here that is quite obviously incorrect.

4) every person can look at the listing I put and see....Hammersbro had as much and even more activity than stevenryals...even if you exclude the unvote afroboy twice...the fact that instead of just saying...ok..instea d you continue this obviously incorrect assesment and keep it going...and even say I'm LYING???...any townie is welcome to read my listing...and review the board...if I made a mistake..fine I'll own up to it...but from the count I made...I show that these two guys were both sussing folks out.

5) The line of arguing over which is more important to look at, either killing of hammersbro or killing of stevenryals is stupid to be honest!! I was attempting to show both had sussed enough folks out that we shouldn't discount looking at either one. I think if you look at the whole picture hopefully us townies can make sense and get the mafia and any other killer types before we either kill ourselves off or get killed in the night!

6) I do not agree that the only people on either of their voting lists are the only suspects...heck I think they voted for each other at some point..if you include mikeblue...it's the whole picture once again...I'm saying look at voting record, look at who was killed and look at who they suspected all together!

7)I am NOT going to defend mophead...I've said it over and over...my kid is nuts...he's tried to kill me when he was mafia and didn't even think I was town when we were both townies..he ain't working with me...and I don't have a clue about him...although steven was convinced he was evil...steven says so every game...so it's hard...I don't get in their squabbles cause it's like miasg and trickpony..so...do what you want but I'm not working with him...don't have a clue on him...and from this post I think he's just responded to miasg's request for me to put that list on the board...it was his attempt at humor I think...but again I am not defending him..he's on his own no help from mamma!

[yorkshire blue]

yes footballnewbie sorry didnt realise the vote count 
mophead looks sus to me but he seems to play the two games the same
and i think he as been evil and good asnt he but he does put in some weird postsfos mophead

[hippo]

Hi Axeman,

or as i like to call you, "the voice of reason from day one, who ensured that we are 3 townies down now, and not just the two". How's it going? 

Thought everyone had missed the point i made about Hammerbro being the only one who'd expressed suspicion towards you, and him being dead, but obviously you didn't. It didn't really take long afterwards for you to vote for me did it? Obviously not referencing the actual reason, but still obvious all the same. You've even rather cheekily told us that you "see no reason for his death". Nice.

there is no solid reason or foundation for townies to use No lynch, as this then takes away the main source of information we have over the coarse of the oncoming days... who voted for who, who bandwaggoned, who withdrew and changed at last minute, these are all important facts we will loose if there is a no lynch

So with that in mind, let's have a quick look at what you've done yourself.

Happy Axeman   FOS Hammersbro      2
      VOTE Wesmancity      2
      UNVOTE WESMANCITY   6
      VOTE MIASG      6

Suspected a townie
Voted a mason
Unvoted a mason (when he had to)
Voted unknown
Voted a townie (me)

So basically, if this info is what we should be using to analyse who to lynch, what should people be concluding about yourself?

What was the reason you've voted for me again? Because i'm trying to put pressure on people? That's a pro-town thing surely?

RSVP.

yes footballnewbie sorry didnt realise the vote count 
mophead looks sus to me but he seems to play the two games the same
and i think he as been evil and good asnt he but he does put in some weird postsfos mophead

brilliant.

[Tommy Caton's Hairstylist]

Well the vote count so far is

Hippo          1 Vote
LaserBlue     1 Vote
Mophead     1 Vote


yet to vote AfroBoy, Bluestars, Footballnewb, Happy Axeman, LaserBlue, LiverBird, Miasg, Mophead, Sir Hammer, Trick Pony, Wesmancity and Yorkshire

[MIASG]

can the mason's not claim if they can help it  !! especially mason group B - while it will help me know that your a townie and possible hobbit, and save you, it also makes you the no.1 target of the evil doers and we have already lost the doctor .. and I don't know what powers we have left to save.
Wes your claim was wierd as it was unprovoked but I feel you were left around to root out the other partner.  think about it today people ..

We all think that gollum is a serial killer .. but which one did he/she kill and which did the mafia take out ?  I'm inclined to think the mafia took out stevenryals and the serial killer hammerbro .. I don't think hammerbro affected enough members of the mafia for them to vote him out.

LiverBird feel free to contribute today - you pretty much got a free run on day 1 ..

[Sir Villain]

can the mason's not claim if they can help it  !! especially mason group B - while it will help me know that your a townie and possible hobbit, and save you, it also makes you the no.1 target of the evil doers and we have already lost the doctor .. and I don't know what powers we have left to save.
Wes your claim was wierd as it was unprovoked but I feel you were left around to root out the other partner.  think about it today people ..

We all think that gollum is a serial killer .. but which one did he/she kill and which did the mafia take out ?  I'm inclined to think the mafia took out stevenryals and the serial killer hammerbro .. I don't think hammerbro affected enough members of the mafia for them to vote him out.

LiverBird feel free to contribute today - you pretty much got a free run on day 1 ..

I figure most people are going on under the assumption that Gollum is the one killing people with rocks to the head.

I will be back with more thoughts on whats been said today.

[Sir Villain]

can the mason's not claim if they can help it  !! especially mason group B - while it will help me know that your a townie and possible hobbit, and save you, it also makes you the no.1 target of the evil doers and we have already lost the doctor .. and I don't know what powers we have left to save.
Wes your claim was wierd as it was unprovoked but I feel you were left around to root out the other partner.  think about it today people ..
LiverBird feel free to contribute today - you pretty much got a free run on day 1 ..

Still I am uneasy on Miasg. This post seems to me like an attempt to appear pro-town by stating the obvious.

[hippo]

We all think that gollum is a serial killer .. but which one did he/she kill and which did the mafia take out ?  I'm inclined to think the mafia took out stevenryals and the serial killer hammerbro .. I don't think hammerbro affected enough members of the mafia for them to vote him out.

You're trying too hard to look like you don't know anything. We know for a fact that Sauron and the nazgul are the mafia, as it implies it in the rules, and is pretty clear to anyone who read the death scenes at least. We know for a fact they killed hammerbro and not stevenryals.

I think you've intentionally got this wrong, in order to make it look like you're just an innocent townie who knows nothing about any evil activities. Looks dodgy to me.

[MIASG]

Looking too hard - is that such a thing   I didn't take the killing wording literally which if correct is my fault.  I assumed Steven to be the one the mafia would take out for fun. 

Mate I'm dodgy if I post and I'm dodgy if I do nothing .. that's the problem being a normal townie with no powers ..  everyone else is 99% potentially mafia/evil and you are to them. 

If gollum killed stevenryals then that potentially is a harder find ( the list is too long)  ..  mafia killing hammerbro though  .. who had an axe to grind ?

[hippo]

Looking too hard - is that such a thing  

That's not what I said though, i said you're trying too hard to look innocent.

I didn't take the killing wording literally which if correct is my fault.  I assumed Steven to be the one the mafia would take out for fun. 

What's not to take literally from "Sauron has sent the Nazgul and they have found you, attracted by the lure of the ring. Hammersbro is first to react, races down with his sword to prevent them coming through the gate. There is a clash of swords but Hammersbro is overpowered and killed."?

If gollum killed stevenryals then that potentially is a harder find ( the list is too long)  ..  mafia killing hammerbro though  .. who had an axe to grind ?

This is what i've been saying. Hammerbro was the only person in the game to cast any suspicion or votes the way of both Axeman and Liverbird.

However, you could have known this, and be setting up Axeman for a kill, as he was the only person who actually voted for you on day one. The wording, "axe to grind", makes me suspect this more strongly.

[MIASG]

However, you could have known this, and be setting up Axeman for a kill, as he was the only person who actually voted for you on day one. The wording, "axe to grind", makes me suspect this more strongly.

  well yeah it was ment as it was written .. I'm towny and axeman had a go at me and other now known townies.   The message was there to be interpreted but thanks for making me put it out in the open .. I can see now why he previously role claimed with the mod quotes just to get you off his back - your like a staving rottwieler !!  what do you want me to say or do ?  role claim?  it might come down to that .. but I don't want to or need to .. plus no one will believe me anyway.  I am a normal no power townie.  Do you believe axeman to be innocent ? or are you trying to get him to unvote you ? 

[hippo]

I'm not trying to get him to unvote me, i found it pretty hilarious that he voted for me almost straight after i pointed out his potential motive for killing hammerbro. Even more amusingly, he didn't refer to that in the entire post where he voted me, because it seemed to be something people missed and he didn't want it dragged out in to the open. That's why i didn't know why you were being cryptic about it - the information's something everybody should know, not have to pick through subtle references to work out.

And no, don't roleclaim. I'm just questioning you because it's what needs to be done so that people can get a read on each other and make more educated guesses about who's who. I'm satisfied for now though 

[Happy Axeman]

lol your laughing at me? have you not thought that i'm laughing at you hippo?

as for me coming on after you posted, what a load of shit. I come on when i get the chance. I work from 6 till 6 most days, sometimes later.. so when i have time, i post and add my ten pence worth. So dont try fitting me up with pure crap.

why did i vote you? because A: I wanted to see what lies and bullshit you would fit me up with... and B: because of the way you are voting everyone at the drop of hat, making it easier for you to cover your tracks... and if you say its to put pressure on people, then thats also bullshit, you dont put pressure on people by voting then changing it every 2nd post... of cause you know that already dont you.

So let me get this right, Its ok for you to be linked with people because 'smart' people wouldnt leave tracks behind like that, yet You try and stitch me up like a kipper because i'm not allowed to be linked with peeps unlike you are? Pot and kettle spring to mind... you also did the same thing on Bluestars.
and in anycase, how can you associate me with Hammersbro? I fosed him early in the day because of his strong 'No-lynch' campaign, after that i never bothered with him. so to say i'm linked with him because of that is purely clutching at straws.

I dont want anything dragged into the open? what planet are you on? do you not read my posts properly? of cause you dont, cause your looking for things to accuse people of, to deflect the pressure away from yourself arnt you?

motives? in my eyes you have more motive than anyone for the death of Hammersbro..

Yeah i unvote: afroboy. Will do it again just to make sure.

I'm gonna have to defend svh from Hippo here. Mainly because if you go back and read the quotes he has picked out, there in the middle of whole paragraphs. Hippos manipulating things and taking them out of context. On the other hand, svh did state no lynch would be mafia shortly after voting no lynch himself. But in the same post he does also explain why he has changed his mind. I think Hippo is trying to overstate svh's change of opinion. I think i'm gonna have to Vote: Hippo]/b] for now.

and to top it of, didnt My Ryals have you as a prime suspect too? (yes he did!)

I may of been way off with my predictions last day(which i have openly admitted), but this time I'm sure Hippo is playing an evil game... remember the starwars game where i got you and your partner, but you and Rayvon then accused me of cheating... i wonder if your going to do the same? 

All i've got to say to everyone is be wary of the Hippo, dont buy into his over inflated rubbish as it will get more townies killed than mafia... which at this moment in time, I'm sure we are playing into his hands.