Mafia 13 Lord of the Rings - Town Win

[hippo]

I'm finding myself agreeing with some of the points made about bluestars. She clearly hadn't been reading the posts properly in this game to accuse people as steveryals pointed out, and i find it especially careless not to have read the rules at least, because of the uniqueness of the game. But then, your main focus as an evil person would be ensuring that no-one noticed you, rather than trying to analyse the posts and find out who's who.

She seemed to get flustered by steven's accusations and claimed to still be reading and would post back when she was done.. she didn't. She hasn't put forward anything, from what i can find anyway. Someone correct me if i'm wrong?

I am still READING...just like I said and I'll post my opinions in a bit..but I have posted in this game a few times and feel I have had something to say. I just do not want to vote before I reread everything.

That reads to me like she's been trying to post the right sort of amount to be deemed active, but not enough to have any real impact, and is annoyed that she's received attention even whilst playing those tactics.

I DID read the rules I did not see the 72 hour bit...very poor vote for me....but not surprised..you were being too nice to me it was making me nervous..you didn't start the bluestars is evil bit yet....blah blah blah.

And this tries to pass off a valid vote as being just something that steven does, and everyone else should ignore it. And to be fair, steven has made this quite an easy defense to make with his consistent accusations of mophead for reasons that it's impossible for anyone else to understand. But i still think he's on to something with you.

There's nine pages (i think) now, and as you feel as though you've had something to say, why not say it now? Convince everyone you're not just trying to lay low, use your thoughts to accuse people and help the town. If you don't do that, then i can only come to one conclusion.

FOS bluestars for now.

still not changing my vote though.. i was going to when i saw yorkshire had been dragged out of the background, but the fact that he just posted that he's read it all, and didn't add anything, has made the vote stay a bit longer.

[bluestarsneyes]

(TCH, Mophead will be out from today through Sunday...not sure what to do about that...he does have a cell phone but no web access.)

I am not in kahoots with stevenryals...I haven't had much access to the two hogs I live with that use all the computer time....to respond to him voting for me...otherwise I would of course defended myself. But how in the world him voting for me and calling me out as his top list of suspects (which I must admit he does every freaking game) means he's with me...you must be confused....I don't have a clue whether he's a townie attempting to sus everyone out....or evil out to get me...but I speak for this...we are not in kahoots...I don't have a clue on him.

I tried to read through the board all over again yesterday, I only got back through page 4 and had to go home. I've not had alot of computer time since I have to log on at work and YES I am a detailed player normally , but with still not having a home computer and work I've been less able to read and then the site going down. I don't like to randomly vote and I like to reread cause yes I miss things sometimes.

I am reading and making my notes which I will post today.

[bluestarsneyes]

I'm finding myself agreeing with some of the points made about bluestars. She clearly hadn't been reading the posts properly in this game to accuse people as steveryals pointed out, and i find it especially careless not to have read the rules at least, because of the uniqueness of the game. But then, your main focus as an evil person would be ensuring that no-one noticed you, rather than trying to analyse the posts and find out who's who.

She seemed to get flustered by steven's accusations and claimed to still be reading and would post back when she was done.. she didn't. She hasn't put forward anything, from what i can find anyway. Someone correct me if i'm wrong?

That reads to me like she's been trying to post the right sort of amount to be deemed active, but not enough to have any real impact, and is annoyed that she's received attention even whilst playing those tactics.

And this tries to pass off a valid vote as being just something that steven does, and everyone else should ignore it. And to be fair, steven has made this quite an easy defense to make with his consistent accusations of mophead for reasons that it's impossible for anyone else to understand. But i still think he's on to something with you.

There's nine pages (i think) now, and as you feel as though you've had something to say, why not say it now? Convince everyone you're not just trying to lay low, use your thoughts to accuse people and help the town. If you don't do that, then i can only come to one conclusion.

FOS bluestars for now.

still not changing my vote though.. i was going to when i saw yorkshire had been dragged out of the background, but the fact that he just posted that he's read it all, and didn't add anything, has made the vote stay a bit longer.

First of all let's be clear about this....I misunderstood the 72 hour bit and admitted it! I read the RULES..and that bit was NOT in the rules! It was in the beginning of the game post and I sort of skimmed past that part.

I totally agree that someone should reread the rules if they misunderstand and I think I was not the only player to admit....as you yourself hippo said you had to reread the rules again. I didn't have that opportunity because I've been at work actually working and don't have a computer at home unless steven and mophead share.

Steven and mophead are always hogging the computer so I didn't get to post as soon as the site came back up...I was reading the site yesterday and made it to the page 5 but didn't post anything before I left for work, as I was not done...I emailed myself some notes...here is a copy of what I had listed so far if you must know and I can show you my email stamp if you must see it.

AfroBoy   
Bluestars      
FootballNewb      
Hammerbro   no lynch   page 1
   FOS Happyaxeman   page 2
   Vote Afroboy   page 3
   VOTE Livebird   page 3
Happy Axeman      
Hippo   FOS Miasg   page 1
   no lynch   page 2
   Vote SVH   page 3
LaserBlue      
Liverbird      
Miasg   says he's good   page 1
MikeBlue   FOS hammerbro   page 3
Mophead   Vote Afroboy   page 3
Sir Hammer   FOS Miasg   page 1
   FOS hammerbro   page 2
   VOTE wesmancity   page 2
Stevenryals   FOS hammerbro   page 3
   FOS mophead   page 3
   FOS Miasg   page 3
   VOTE Hammerbro   page 3
SVH   FOS SVH   page 3
   FOS Wesmancity   page 3
   FOS Hippo   page 3
   FOS hammerbro   page 3
   FOS Miasg   page 3
Trick Pony      
Wesmancity   says he's good   page 2
   FOS Afroboy   page 3
Yorkshire Blue


So I am a detailed player, I've just not had the time to finish going through to see who I want to vote for. I don't like a rushed and careless vote and if anything that should at least prove in itself I am not plotting anything but to get mafia!
   

[bluestarsneyes]

crap..pushed the wrong button and it posted before I was done....sorry.

Either way, yes I'm looking to sus people out...I just don't normally do it like other by voting here and about...I do it differently....and well if you want my opinion then fine...I'll give it..but sometimes I think it gives too much away too soon by saying how you feel about every single player, because on day one what are my chances of getting everything right...slim probably...but if I get enough of the mafia on my list...I make myself a target.

However at this point, footballnewby would have to be on my list for simply NOT posting...not posting anything isn't helpful and he was called out by Miasg that can have his lady about to give birth and find time to post...lol!

My opinion of him is his nonexistence in playing...can't know anything about him...but not posting is obviously not helping the town figure anything out. He'd have to be tops of my list.

Wes seems he was WAY too eager to tell he was town and then spill he was mason...WHY? not sure if it was because he's new...or thought that it would help him as a mafia player to stay alive....what it does though is puts the town in a horrible position. If we believe him...he's made himself dead basically cause mafia see that as an easy kill and the other mason is left useless....if he's mafia it's sort of stupid because the other mason could just refute his claim...since no one has done that I'm assuming the guy is telling the truth...does anyone else agree with that?

mophead...nuts...co uld probably be evil..but then again...with him I never know...sort of thinking he's got a role...just not sure good or bad.

stevenryals...well he's on me as usual and then moves on...which for now makes me think he just loves to rawl me up....and he is posting his more pick at people side so I'm sort of leaning to townie on him...but we'll see...he may have just practiced at being bad...although if he is mafia...he's a terrible liar and will trip himself up eventually.

miasg...good lord you are like mophead I just never know...I almost had you in my mind as innocent before and was shocked you were evil you are just way too good at evil..lol...but for now nothing too out of the ordinary for me to be honest. I don't judge based on past games...try not to...although I do have to say evertime I see your name I think evil now...sorry...can't help it!

I'll post more in a bit...I really do HAVE to work today...I will post more and since mophead is off to camp...I should have time to post.

although at this point...VOTE FOOTBALLNEWBY maybe that will bring him out of hiding

[stevenryals]

I'm finding myself agreeing with some of the points made about bluestars. She clearly hadn't been reading the posts properly in this game to accuse people as steveryals pointed out, and i find it especially careless not to have read the rules at least, because of the uniqueness of the game. But then, your main focus as an evil person would be ensuring that no-one noticed you, rather than trying to analyse the posts and find out who's who.

She seemed to get flustered by steven's accusations and claimed to still be reading and would post back when she was done.. she didn't. She hasn't put forward anything, from what i can find anyway. Someone correct me if i'm wrong?

And this tries to pass off a valid vote as being just something that steven does, and everyone else should ignore it. And to be fair, steven has made this quite an easy defense to make with his consistent accusations of mophead for reasons that it's impossible for anyone else to understand. But i still think he's on to something with you.

here's something you dont often do hippo..  not much original thought yourself there..  you say that evil doesnt look hard to sus out mafia because it's not their prime objective..  

usually they will latch on to something that someone has posted that they feel is an easy bandwaggon.. and agree whole hartedly...  which is exactly what you've done here..

I honestly cant remember a time when you've posted the "I agree with _____"  "_____ said"  "______ pointed out" and not turned out to be evil..

FOS Hippo

[hippo]

No, steven. I'd seen you put some decent pressure on bluestars, and then everyone seem to forget about it and it looked to me like bluestars was trying to lie low after it and not give the promised opinions, and i wasn't happy with somebody doing that, so i re-raised it.

I'm comfortable agreeing with things because i'm not striving to cover up everything about myself. I'm not guilty, i have nothing to hide, so i'm posting my thoughts on what everyone's saying openly. The fact that a large majority of people seem to just be "checking in" when they post, rather than actually contributing something worthwhile, doesn't help with my usual digging through what accusations have been made. They all seem pretty weak.

I agree with bluestars' acceptance of wes' claim. If he wasn't a mason, we'd know by now. We don't want to know the other/s, because that'll give the mafia too much information.

Happy Axeman has been very quiet this game. Maybe has an evil role and is trying to avoid conflict with me, because he knows i don't give up and will expose him?

[hippo]

In the post where you've emboldened every mention of your name, in order to try and show how i was using your accusations and passing them off as mine, only the "agreeing" and first "steve" actually involves me agreeing with you - the rest are just me talking about the conflict you had with bluestars.. and one of them's even a criticism of you. Talk about trying to misrepresent the evidence.

[laserblue]

well most peeps have been on & no-one has disagreed with wes so I'm taking it he's what he says he is .... please no-one else role claim yet cause it narrows the field down for the mafia & makes it easier for them to pick out the crucial players we need to keep alive.

Yorkshire .... what can I say about this guy he always signs up but then dosen't post ... I just don't get it , every game his posts get less & less.
I'd put my vote on him but I did this last time & we all know he turned out to be a townie.... well he could just as easily be evil this time

footienewb has not contributed & this really smacks of hiding away ... come on footienewb give us your thoughts ?

I always think that Bluestars looks sus on the first day the way she dithers about but this is her usual style ... having said that I can't remember her being evil yet & like I said about Steveryals last game it happens to everyone sooner or later... so by The law of averages it's got to be her turn sooner or later.

Mophead well what do you say about this one...  .... he's voted yorkshire but gone away without unvoting afroboy... so it looks like yer stuck with that one
Afro
steve says mophead is evil but can we trust steve ?

Miasg definatley started off playing a different game than usual I don't know if it makes him evil but it is worth keeping a close eye on.

some of the more experienced players are not giving anything away some of them only just doing enough to keep in touch.... hammer seems to be doing this..... I know he's been busy, but when he played mafia before, his posts were so long I lost the will to live before I got to the end of them.

[wesmancity]

well most peeps have been on & no-one has disagreed with wes so I'm taking it he's what he says he is .... please no-one else role claim yet cause it narrows the field down for the mafia & makes it easier for them to pick out the crucial players we need to keep alive.

Everyone LASEBLUE is mafia. we all know i said what i said why keep bringing it up?, You Bluestars, and yorkshire IMO are evil and youre the ring leader i smell lt in my water.

[stevenryals]

hammer seems to be doing this..... when he played mafia before, his posts were so long I lost the will to live before I got to the end of them.

HAHAHA

[bluestarsneyes]

Everyone LASEBLUE is mafia. we all know i said what i said why keep bringing it up?, You Bluestars, and yorkshire IMO are evil and youre the ring leader i smell lt in my water.

Wes...did you share some Red Koolaid with mophead this morning?? You are posting just like him?

You aren't making any sense?

First off laserblue just basically agreed with me that you must be a mason and therefore not someone a townie would want to lynch of course....and then you say...he's mafia???

Um...okay...can you see how that is odd? I don't have any defense for laserblue because I don't know if he's good or bad but you can't come on here and claim he's mafia when he basically defends you and expect us townies to think you aren't a nutjob?

Also, what reason in all crap would I have for defending you if I was mafia? Explain that logic to me? And yes you said it, so what...I didn't roleclaim YOU DID...and therefore if you are going to get mad at someone...why would you not be mad and pointing fingers at those that say your roleclaim could be garbage huh?

Your should explain yourself for sure...that post just makes no sense because you offer us nothing by just point a finger with nothing else.

And if you call me out...come on and tell me why?

[Happy Axeman]

eek. how many posts?! its just taken me over an hour trying to read and absorb anything, and when your a bit shall we say hammered, its a very hard task to do! lol

Sorry about the site being down, strapped for time and not monitoring things was my downfall. that particular problem wont happen again. 

I Still find Miasg very strange, so my vote is sticking on him for now.

Bluestars always plays like this, Ive already mentioned it in this game before other people starting mentioning how she's playing... she sits on the fence and argues with herself and gets no-where when she's good; Every game gaurenteed. this makes me believe she has a good role.

Mike Blue has just seemed to follow my lead and basically repeats my thoughts.

And SVH, he seems to be getting the credit for showing the shit about deaths/nights ratio... erm you will find it was me who pointed it out, but yet again, he simply followed my lead and is now taking the credit for it.

Stevenryals to me is still posting strangley, I cannot rule him out of my thoughts for being an evil role again.

as for wes, He has thrown in a strange curve ball.. I posted a while back that i thought he was part of a team, if he is a mason(probably a possible ring bearer too?) then i think it would be a tragedy for them to show themselves. so Wes is on a bit of safe ground at the mo, as who really wants to lynch a possible mason so early in the game despite how dodgy there role claim is?, and then you have to ask; who wants torole claim this early in the game to contest it?... 

I used to think it was a good idea to lynch the non posters in the early life of mafia games, but now i'm more opposed to the idea...
to lynch Yorkshire Blue yet again for a lack of posts and strange posting style means people have not learnt anything. Suspect him by all means but dont lynch him just yet... if we have a cop role then simply investigate him.

Same as Footynewb, i wouldnt vote him off yet either and he must also be on the cops list of people to investigate. He seems good at the game, and to loose a good aussie time player through circumstances is not right for the first day lynch.

if they have still not participed with any purpose and offered nothing on day 2, then yes i would be willing to vote them. I may not post much on the first day of mafia games, but i do try and share my major thoughts. 

[Happy Axeman]

Happy Axeman has been very quiet this game. Maybe has an evil role and is trying to avoid conflict with me, because he knows i don't give up and will expose him?

erm dont think so hippo, you see i have nothing to hide. 

If i'm online, then I'm on here. 

and if i recall the last game you played,when I explained my reasons in a valid and decent way, then you just couldnt see it and kept going on and on and on...  i commited suicide quoting the gm's role... I was the cop... so yes, I guess you didnt give up and you exposed me!!! lol 

[stevenryals]

Interesting that you've left these players out of your thoughts completely...

AfroBoy
Hammerbro
Hippo
LaserBlue
Liverbird
Mophead
Sir Hammer
Trick Pony

Could you be showing some preference to whom you wish to place the spotlight on, and who you wish to keep in the shadows...

It's equally funny that hammerbro, hippo, mophead, hammer & TP are in that list, who are very high on my suspicions list at this point..  

[Happy Axeman]

Interesting that you've left these players out of your thoughts completely...

AfroBoy
Hammerbro
Hippo
LaserBlue
Liverbird
Mophead
Sir Hammer
Trick Pony

Could you be showing some preference to whom you wish to place the spotlight on, and who you wish to keep in the shadows...

It's equally funny that hammerbro, hippo, mophead, hammer & TP are in that list, who are very high on my suspicions list at this point.. 

just because i have failed to mention them, doesnt mean i have not got them in my thoughts. Why show all your cards all the time? what if I am spot on with something and i get taken out because of it(like most games?)... what use am i then? 

AfroBoy - I always think is evil, why keep repeating it everygame?
Hammerbro - If you read my posts and engage your brain, you will know what i think of hammerbro...

Hippo - You can never trust a clever player.
LaserBlue - Unpredictable, have formed no real opinion.
Liverbird - few posts, little said, how can you form any opinion?
Mophead - Usual erratic behaviour, another candite on the cop list.
Sir Hammer - Another clever player you can never 100% trust.
Trick Pony - Dunno, seems to highlight SVH as being a hero, when infact it was me who pointed everything out... team with SVH and MIASG?

there, is that good enough for you? 

[hippo]

erm dont think so hippo, you see i have nothing to hide. 

If i'm online, then I'm on here. 

and if i recall the last game you played,when I explained my reasons in a valid and decent way, then you just couldnt see it and kept going on and on and on...  i commited suicide quoting the gm's role... I was the cop... so yes, I guess you didnt give up and you exposed me!!! lol 

Happened more than once now  But that's exactly what i'm saying, if you're good then i eventually drive you to the point where you reveal/commit suicide, if you're evil, then you won't want to get involved in any such exchange, because your non-revealing/suicide would show that i was right.. if that makes sense.

Interesting that you've left these players out of your thoughts completely...

AfroBoy
Hammerbro
Hippo
LaserBlue
Liverbird
Mophead
Sir Hammer
Trick Pony

Could you be showing some preference to whom you wish to place the spotlight on, and who you wish to keep in the shadows...

It's equally funny that hammerbro, hippo, mophead, hammer & TP are in that list, who are very high on my suspicions list at this point.. 

This is the second time you've manipulated something about me in a row. He HAS mentioned me. You seem to be trying to create a doubt around me in people's minds, without actually accusing me of anything. Because you know i cause problems for the mafia scum, and want me out of the way?

[*Afroboy*]

Does anyone else have a suspision that hammerbro is just hammer in disguise

I'm keeping my vote on yorkshire until he comes out and gives a decent post, but there are other people who are high up on my suspision list for not putting pressure on as well but the first post yorkshire made edged him ahead of those for me.

[Happy Axeman]

Isnt Yorkshire in the lead with regards to votes? seems sad to me that we could yet again be on a looser by doing exactly the same thing, I say we, but i was never apart of it in the last one.

this is a strange first day phase, what with the votes being so fragmented. I feel a bit uneasy, as its kind of making it easier for the mafia to manipulate the voting. 

[Happy Axeman]

infact why hasnt stevenryals asked why Laserblue didnt list all his thought on players? what makes me so different steve? easier to target knowing i blow up like a hand grenade if you catch me at the right time?

maybe if we look at the people i suspected more(which then made Steven post in a defensive attitude to try to deflect and put the light on me), we will see the people who Steve actually wanted me to shy away from?

STEVENRYALS, SVH, MIASG, MIKEBLUE

Hmmm, dunno to stick or twist on MIASG or Stevenryals... need to see what has happened in Aussie time tomorrow before i cast my final and confirmed vote.

[hippo]

There's a few people whose actions i'm not happy with currently; the first of these is Steve Van Halen..

Everybody read the following sequence of quotes from him, and form your own opinions:

I think Hammerbro is on to a good tactic, lets not lynch anyone unless we are certain. The more townies stay alive the greater the chance of winning.

FOS at yorkshire for either not reading the game rules or encouraging the potential lynch of a townie!!

with the limit on this game I would be inclined to think that the no lynch vote would be avoided by the mafia. They need to get rid of townies in the day as well as in the night to increase their chances of winning.

But I do agree with the Axeman that voting patterns do help pinpoint evil

Axeman I agree with you and I implore the rest of you to see sense.

Surely if I was mafia I would encourage the no lynch as it would mean that I would have a greater chance of being on the winning side?!

Amusing isn't it? There's one major event that happens in the middle of that, and it's the fact that a strong player joined the opposition to the no-lynching and he realised it wouldn't be an easy ride to the next day like he was hoping. He saw the tide changing, jumped ship, and then tried to take the moral highground and credit for the whole decision making process.

But the worst quote of all for me, and i did vote for him at the time for it, was this one..

So who do we put pressure on?

There's two things that are wrong with this:

1) Who the hell is this "we"? If he's referring to townies, then he shouldn't be trusting anybody elses decisions that early, and he wouldn't because he's experienced. So what other group could "we" be referring to?

2) Why's he asking people this at all? Why can't he make decisions for himself? We've already been over the fact that he latched on to the views of hammerbro, then axeman, and here he is trying to do it again. He wants a scapegoat for all of his moves, to cover his tracks.

So in summary..

lets not lynch anyone

Surely if I was mafia I would encourage the no lynch?!

unvote: yorkshire
vote: SVH