Mafia 13 Lord of the Rings - Town Win

[Liverbird]

Look I've pointed out the reasons for lynching people as a no lynch would clearly benefit the mafia. At first I thought a no lynch would be beneficial to the town but then I had a chance to think about it properly. Happyaxeman made some good points and I broke it down mathematically to conclude that he was right. Surely if I was mafia I would encourage the no lynch as it would mean that I would have a greater chance of being on the winning side?!

I think Axeman is wrong here, we are already seeing patterns with those voting for no lynch and those for lynching:

Steve van halen , are you sure that your not just saying all this so we dont think your not Mafia?? Hmmm im suspicious of you?

Sorry ive not been posting much as it was bank holiday yesterday and ive been busy at work today.

[Mikeblue]

Look I've pointed out the reasons for lynching people as a no lynch would clearly benefit the mafia. At first I thought a no lynch would be beneficial to the town but then I had a chance to think about it properly. Happyaxeman made some good points and I broke it down mathematically to conclude that he was right. Surely if I was mafia I would encourage the no lynch as it would mean that I would have a greater chance of being on the winning side?!

I think Axeman is wrong here, we are already seeing patterns with those voting for no lynch and those for lynching:

Steve van halen , are you sure that your not just saying all this so we dont think your not Mafia?? Hmmm im suspicious of you?

Sorry ive not been posting much as it was bank holiday yesterday and ive been busy at work today.

When you quote someone press the quote button on the top right of their post so it goes into quote text in a different colour and we can all see who you are quoting instead of copy and paste Liverbird.

[Quig]

Again a no lynch is only worth anything in a timed game. But since we are unable to do that then we have to look at the other choices. At the moment, Mikeblue seems desperate to use the no lynch idea against me despite my reasons for it which, even though we cant do a no lynch anymore, are still valid and imo justify the no lynch option. But again, he might not of actually read posts so might not of grasped my plan.

--Liverbird posted while i was--

Of course he's saying that so we dont think he's mafia. Everyone wants everyone to think there not mafia. And your post was shit and bladent to avoid the lurker vote. And questioning your own suspicion to cover yourself if he gets lynched and is a townie. Infact Vote: Liverbird

[Mikeblue]

Also have a welcome Karma point! 

[Mikeblue]

Again a no lynch is only worth anything in a timed game. But since we are unable to do that then we have to look at the other choices. At the moment, Mikeblue seems desperate to use the no lynch idea against me despite my reasons for it which, even though we cant do a no lynch anymore, are still valid and imo justify the no lynch option. But again, he might not of actually read posts so might not of grasped my plan.

--Liverbird posted while i was--

Of course he's saying that so we dont think he's mafia. Everyone wants everyone to think there not mafia. And your post was shit and bladent to avoid the lurker vote. And questioning your own suspicion to cover yourself if he gets lynched and is a townie. Infact Vote: Liverbird

Thats harsh. This is Liverbirds first game and she doesn't have a clue about the game and was just trying to join in in some capacity I imagine. I know you can see this from her lack of posts on this site in general. For you to vote her with no evidence whatsoever looks sus to me....even more FOS for Hammerbro

Also where did you see or read that you can not vote no lynch?? I think its you that is not reading all the posts properly as I never miss a trick my son!

[stevenryals]

Of course he's saying that so we dont think he's mafia. Everyone wants everyone to think there not mafia. And your post was shit and bladent to avoid the lurker vote. And questioning your own suspicion to cover yourself if he gets lynched and is a townie. Infact Vote: Liverbird

Isn't this your 4th vote so far?  You seem to be ready to start a bandwaggon today dont you mate..

Vote Hammersbro

You know if you lynch a townie first day it will make the rest of the game VERY hard for us..  so throwing your vote around like you dont care who it lands on is positively NOT pro town... 

[Mikeblue]

Hammerbro you also haven't unvoted so that vote doesn't stand Bandwagon boy 

[mophead]

Fisrt what the crap is this vote no lynch junk?

[mophead]

Plus,where the heck is Afroboy??? We dont have school in Summer. Unless you get summer school.

To get things going im going im going to VOTE:AFROBOY

[Mikeblue]

Plus,where the heck is Afroboy??? We dont have school in Summer. Unless you get summer school.

To get things going im going im going to VOTE:AFROBOY

Summer holidays......oh those were the days!!! 

I think you and Afro are the new MIASG and Trick Pony 

[Mikeblue]

Something tells me this is going to be a very fast paced game...
And hopefully we (the aussies) don't wake up to 10 pages of stuff to read through again

MIASG is always suss no matter what... but I doubt he is lucky enough to get the role of Serial Killer again...
I actually think he may be good this time round...

What makes you think that then hey??? Cause he is evil with you??? 

[stevenryals]

I'm evil I'm evil I'm evil I'm evil dirty scum evil want innocents to die evil black magic boy

??  This speaks for itsself doesn't it... 

[Steve Van Halen]

Plus,where the heck is Afroboy??? We dont have school in Summer. Unless you get summer school.

To get things going im going im going to VOTE:AFROBOY

It is half term but kids still have school until July over here mate. Don't just go for the 'not posting' rule as some people have genuine reasons for not posting.

Also think first before you type! You look evil in every game!

[hippo]

You know if you lynch a townie first day it will make the rest of the game VERY hard for us..  so throwing your vote around like you dont care who it lands on is positively NOT pro town... 

So why did you disagree with the no lynching thing? It's about a 70% chance someone innocent gets killed on day one as it's entirely random (unless someone's is a ridiculously bad player and makes it easy), so if you think killing the wrong person makes it "VERY hard", why can't you see the logic behind not wanting to, in all likelihood, kill off a townie, in order to get the information for the next day? Or are you just being contrary because the majority don't seem to agree, and you want to blend yourself in?

[Steve Van Halen]

I will state this once more so that we are clear.

17 players, bound to be a serial killer

7 nights

Serial killer and Mafia kill a person a night

7 nights x two deaths = 14!!

17 players - 14 deaths = mafia victory


This is unless the doctor saves someone every night or the mafia kills the serial killer. Im starting to get very suspicious of people continuing to push for no lynch on day 1

[mophead]

??  This speaks for itsself doesn't it... 

I NEVER POSTED THAT!!!!!!

[stevenryals]

So why did you disagree with the no lynching thing? It's about a 70% chance someone innocent gets killed on day one as it's entirely random (unless someone's is a ridiculously bad player and makes it easy), so if you think killing the wrong person makes it "VERY hard", why can't you see the logic behind not wanting to, in all likelihood, kill off a townie, in order to get the information for the next day? Or are you just being contrary because the majority don't seem to agree, and you want to blend yourself in?

so you say 70%., that's pretty close?  with 14 players we had 5 evil roles, which is 65% town.  With 12 players we had 4 evil roles which is 66%..  so with those #'s, we're looking at 11 town & 6 evil...  if we no lynch, we'll start day two with no information just like day one, and probably have a townie or two dead..  

If you're waiting for the numbers to be right, you'll have to wait until the mafia kill off 5 of us before we have good odds of getting a mafia member..  is it a good idea to wait that out, because mathmatically, we could no lynch every day, and win the game.. I'm almost positive that TCH would have saw that, and ensured that the mafia would have ample killing power at night to make sure that we dont do that..

you seem to be battling pretty hard for your friend hammersbro..  why's that?  you in cahoots somehow?  explain why your so staunchly defending his ways?

I NEVER POSTED THAT!!!!!!

I know, and so does everyone else... did I hit a nerve mophead?  quite a reaction there I'd say..

[Quig]

Unvote
Ok. The fact that the mod of the game wasn't counting the no lynchs kinda implied that they didn't count. That or he mistook them for not voting.

Mike i am only concerned with votes for people, if nobody votes for a person or goes no lynch then nobody will be lynched. But if someone votes for a person then i lynch the person with the most votes even if they have the only vote cast.

There we go. If we were all to vote no lynch and 1 person voted for someone, that someone would be lynched. Even if the majority voted for a no lynch.
Not once have i thrown my vote randomly. Everytime i have voted i have fully justified it. 1. Afroboy for coming on and not posting, 2. No lynch to limit the number of kills to lessen our chances of killing an important townie as to reach the 7 day limit with the ring safely in hobbit hands, 3. Liverbird as there only post was empty and simple lurker avoidance. Since its her first game and shes new i'll give her the benefit of the doubt for now.

You know if you lynch a townie first day it will make the rest of the game VERY hard for us.

Theres exactly the reason behind no lynching. Normally its worth the risk to get a mafia but in a timed game getting to the 7th day wins it for the town. And about it removing the chance to read posts and analyse votes, its actually spurred alot of people into posting quite a bit.

[bluestarsneyes]

I'm here, didn't remember the game started UK Monday...it's Monday morning here...sorry to start in late.

I've been reading up on the rules that TCH posted especially for this game...wow...seems to me that with the possibility of the ring being sort of the difference in this game there might be a significantly unknown role in this game like the mimic role in last with Xmen. I am going to have to reread and look over the roles...been ages since I've seen the movie and can't remember all the names and so forth, just remember things like...short guys with ugly feet, old dude with long beard, cute knight turned king dude, and elf people..lol!

I was reading over all of the banter back and forth on the no-lynch. At first I read that no-lynch thing and thought...what crap?? What would be the benefit of letting moderator kill off someone if we don't lynch, but then TCH said that if we don't vote to lynch someone then there is no-lynch...duh...not sure how I missed that first time. But I was confused there for a bit.

I can actually, hate to say it, see both sides of the arguement, if we choose to do a no-lynch on the first day we "might" actually save a townie as the only games I've been in townie has always died day one...so the odds of that happening....well as sad as it is...appear quite good it will happen again. By doing a no-lynch we at least have some hope we don't kill off one of our own. BUT at the same time, as axeman and hippo point out, it gives us almost nothing to go on. Makes mafia's job quite easy as they can kill easily in the night phase and come out looking absolutly as clean as town. Soooo....I see really more advantage for mafia in looking at it that way.

At least if we vote we have a chance to sus out evil roles. We have a chance to have something to go on for day two. If we have a doctor and/or cop role, we give them some ideas of people to protect and investigate. I think if we just give up and don't post like we aren't going to vote anyone on day one...then it really does kind of make the game harder for us townies.

Those are just my initial thoughts at this moment. I've got to work a bit, but will try to get back on today.

***Someone is posting while I am again...going to post this and then respond****

[Steve Van Halen]

I will state this once more so that we are clear.

17 players, bound to be a serial killer

7 nights

Serial killer and Mafia kill a person a night

7 nights x two deaths = 14!!

17 players - 14 deaths = mafia victory


This is unless the doctor saves someone every night or the mafia kills the serial killer. Im starting to get very suspicious of people continuing to push for no lynch on day 1