Mafia 8 - The Kingmaker - Assassins Victory

[Sir Villain]

3) You know these rules a little better than I do..but I think you are right on that there is no way for him to KNOW he is innoncent unless he is either Mafia or Mason. Mafia I can see...but Mason...now if he says he is Mason...isn't that sort of saying that you and Mo1ey are not? Or is it possible to have four masons? It seems sort of unlikely to me...but I don't know. And why would he consider Mason so valuable...I thought basically a Mason knew if someone else was a Mason...so couldn't you tell us if you are a Mason whether he was or not?

6) I don't get how you started voting for me right out of the box. I hardly said a thing...now I see why you are voting for me because you think it is going to dig my grave...well maybe...but I'm just here to say that I am innoncent and I think if you ARE Mason you are wasting ALOT of time on me...if you think I am Mafia....fine you have voted for me...so we agree to disagree...if we can agree on one thing....there is more than one Mafia....all I would like to ask from you at this point is to not give up looking into others as well.....I would like to do that too...if I go out...at least I want to find out the Mafia before I go....got to give Steven something to be proud of me for you know.

3) Its possible, but unlikely that there are two seperate groups of masons that don't know about each others existence. The only person in my mason group is Moley. Thats all I know about masons so therefore I would have to treat someone else claiming to be a mason with suspicion.
Axeman is either
a) in a group with Dotleo either Mafia (possible, but unlikely) or Mason (very unlikely)
b) cop with an innocent result on Dotleo
c) normal townie who for some reason just defending Leo very strongly on a gut reaction
d) some other thing that Hippo may have slipped in which is not outlined in the rules/roles at the start (unlikely)

Also I can't make Moley post. I have spoke to him a few times during the night phase, but I can't force him to get on. I would like a little more help from him though but as I know hes innocent I feel im better of focusing on others.

6) Ok well I have tryed to get something on other people (Quig, Dotleo, Afro) so who do you think is mafia if you are not?

[hippo]

Vote Count
dotLeo: yorkshireblue, sir hammer, fozza gump (3)
Yorkshireblue: sir hammer, manic, steve van halen, Happy Axeman, amadjin (5)
Bluestarsneyes: sir hammer, fozza gump, Happy Axeman, yorkshireblue, steve van halen (5)
Amadjin: bluestarsneyes, Happy Axeman (2)
Sir Hammer: yorkshireblue, billyman, steve van halen, yorkshireblue (4)
Happy Axeman: bluestarsneyes, sir hammer, amadjin (3)
Manic: fozza gump, billyman, steve van halen (3)
Steve Van Halen: manic, Sir Hammer, yorkshireblue, afroboy, Happy Axeman (5)
Billyman: Sir Hammer, Happy Axeman (2)
Quigmaster: Sir Hammer, laserblue, Happy Axeman, amadjin (4)
afroboy: steve van halen, sir hammer (2)
mo1ey: yorkshireblue, amadjin (2)
fozza: Happy Axeman (1)
ChurchofHalo: amadjin (1)

Red indicates players selected as potentials for execution by the king.

[bluestarsneyes]

3) Everyone was voting REALLY hard for dotleo a few pages back...so to me it does seem odd for him to be defend him...and his passionate defense of him just sparked confusion on my part and then to make it more confusing he actually mentions that he thinks I'm town...well good for me..but then made me nervous that he was attempting to trick me and get me to take my vote off of him...but I'm so supicious of everyone at this point it could be me being dramatic...

a) not sure...but mason just seems so unlikely to me....would be too many in the game then if you are telling the truth and sort of puts you in a bind either way because now we all question your Mason too?
b) if he is a cop...can he do an investigation at any time other than night? just wondering because if he knows him to be innoncent then how long has he known? and why defend him just now when he's been pretty close to death for awhile.
c) not sure...doesn't seem like a townie would be that passionate...he seems to have some role...whether it be mafia or cop or something...
d) can he do that? well I guess he can...but has he done that before? Wow...that would be confusing!

I don't guess you can make anyone post...but I'm just telling you to tell him if he is MASON he at least needs to get in her and vote because he isn't playing his role and otherwise I'm going to start voting for him to make him post.

I know you have tried other people....and I am going to go back and read your arguements on Quig because honestly can't remember...I think at this point Dotleo and Axeman obviously have an alliance...and I am not sure what I think of it yet....I guess because more of my lack of knowledge on the abilities of all of the roles...but I'd like to hear from Axeman more details on why we should believe him on dotleo..
Quig just hasn't posted alot....so I can see that one...but what about Manic and Billyman...both haven't posted in some time...I'm going back to read what they have to say in their posts..

I'm sort of convinced that Afroboy is innoncent...I mean he isn't voting for me and seems from his last few posts to be on the up and up...can't think of any other reason he would stick his neck out for me unless he believed I was innoncent and then that would make him innocent to me..so that's my opinion on him.

I did take my vote off you Hammer a while back and I'll continue to leave it that way....just to show I have nothing to loose at this point...and show that I just want a Mafia to go before me.

I still have my vote on Axeman and want to hear more from him...

[yorkshire blue]

unvote bluestarsneyes made a bad mistake but tis her first time and dont think she is evil

hammer and currieman keep saying i dont post alot well i posted more then half of the people on here

[Sir Villain]

unvote bluestarsneyes made a bad mistake but tis her first time and dont think she is evil

hammer and currieman keep saying i dont post alot well i posted more then half of the people on here

Thats true, I think I was overloaded by Blues

[bluestarsneyes]

Quig was on top of my list before the word that he went away....
I can't find the post...but where is he...and how made that announcement
he is away?

[Happy Axeman]

why the fuck would anyone want me to role claim that i am a cop on Day2?

in my eyes, if a townie at this early day thought someone was a cop, you should keep it quiet, as saying that is a sure way to get them killed much to the detriment of the townies...

So am i a cop? no.
Am i working with Dotleo? no.
Did i have a special unique power that hippo hasnt mentioned? yes, and i have used it early. 
What was it? I could investigate just one person throughout the game, and i could never be made king. 
Why havent i said this before now? cause everytime ive tried to let the townies know what i was doing in past games, I get harrarased bigtime saying i'm lying, usually resulting in my death.

Why invetigate Dotleo? I investigated Dotleo because I too thought he was looking dodgy.
Why Defend Dotleo? Cause i got an Innocent result and in Day2  Dotleo was becoming the prime suspect, I had to start saying he wasnt evil as I knew he was innocent. I said it many times but everyone continued to put him top of there list, So i finally gave it one last shot by putting BIG in there. I kinda knew i would be singled out and labled a cop by someone wanting the cop to expose themselves.
If i was a cop, do you really think i would do something so blatent and stupid as that to expose myself?

in any case, there has been enough talk about me being a cop to ensure that I will indeed be target no.1 for the night.  :'(

this is why I believe AFROBOY, AMADJIN to be the prime suspects on this day.

[bluestarsneyes]

Investing Dotleo makes sense to me because you are right at that point in the game he was with the most votes....so that I get...

now assuming you are telling the truth.....
that makes you innocent and dotleo.....assuming we believe
Hammer and mo1ey...that makes them innoncent

I'm telling you that if afroboy is taking up for me...he's
got to be innoncent because I know I am and if he was
mafia he could have just taken me out too...
I don't know about amadjin I didn't see him vote for you
Axeman...I think he was just saying you could be mafia
and making the claim he didn't vote for you that I can see since
you took up for dotleo...so I don't think you should count him
so quickly...maybe I'm wrong...but I questioned it and so did others
and I'm not so sure that means he's guilty.

I'm still looking back to find the post where Quig left...and see the last
time he logged in...I see billyman was on but no post...

I say these folks need to come read and post their opinions

Billyman
Manic
Quig
Church
laserblue
fozza
SVH
Mo1ey

and I'd like to know what the king thinks about Axeman...I think he believed it if I read right...so
I think I'm going to along with the king for now...and
UNVOTE AXEMAN

[Sir Villain]

Interesting, alot to take in there. Not 100% sure I believe it. The rules at the start of the game make it pretty clear that only those roles stated are in the game. I wouldn't have thought Hippo would mess around like that in his first game and it seems a bit off that you cannot be made King. What happens if the Kingmaker picks you and someone who dies? Who would be King then? So did you use your investigation during the daytime or last night?

Well, we can take Dotleo of the list for now in light of this evidence.


I now go for a lynch of Afroboy or Bluestars. If Afro is mafia then its likely that Bluestars is and vice-versa.

A lynch of a non-poster would be a waste really as we have no info on them and its a shot in the dark. I think the deadline should be removed for now just to get all the non-posters to chip in here, alot has happened and whats the point playing if your not going to do anything, so

Billyman, Moley, Manic and all the others who have been virtually absent over the last few days get stuck in....
___________________ _____

in response to Bluestars last post

I'm telling you that if afroboy is taking up for me...he's
got to be innoncent because I know I am and if he was
mafia he could have just taken me out too...

You are either missing this or choosing to ignore it anyway in your defence of Afroboy.

If he is mafia and you are not, he knows that you are innocent. Its a common mafia ploy to stauchly defend a townie when they are near to getting lynched so afterwards they look innocent. This is why I think you or Afroboy has to be the lynch today.

[ChurchofHalo]

Interesting development with Happy and Dotleo, could be an elaborate Assasin ploy but I don't think so but I will keep this though in the back of my mind as the game continues, be stupid not to.

I think happy will end up dead tonight whatever happens, shame as I think he is telling the truth but his ahnd has been forced and the mafia will probably kill him on the off chance he is a cop or the town vigilante role might kill him believing he is a mafia member.  Either weay if he does turn up dead (hopefully not) it would clear the Dotleo situation up completey and we would have our 100% innocent or an assasin.

Quig seems to ahve come in again for some more flak, but he has not said anything much recently that I believe to be worthy of suspision but things change after a night phase you see things in different lights.

Bluestars seems to ahve explained herself quite well and I think people are cutting he some slack as its her first game but was that slip an admission of guilt, I think not but time will tell.


My choice is Afroboy.

Afroboy as he posts says a lot of crap, contradicts himself a couple of times and when people question he dissapears, definatly worthy of as much suspision as anyone and the best target I can see in the current climate.

Vote:Afroboy

[bluestarsneyes]

so you are saying afroboy could be defending me because he feels I'm going to die anyway...and
he knows I'm innoncent so it gives him an out? Can I cuss now!
I never thought of that..dangit....I can come up with reasons to suspect
everyone in this dang game and just when I think I might
have one person I can count out....then another idea...thanks
Hammer...you are making my head hurt.

I guess if Afroboy is mafia he's played a good game but I'm just not
sure if I believe it or not....from his posts he doesn't appear that evil to me
and he does ask to be investigated...so not sure...

I would just have others at the top of my list first and I am still
curious why SVH has so many posts and yet the king doesn't have him on
his lists...and since the king doesn't seem to think he's guilty why
do other people still have votes for him?

So you seem to not fully take Axeman on his word of his power...but you
take dotleo off the list? Why not take both off because if Axeman
is lying about his role...wouldn't he be lying about dotleo's guilt or innocence?


I still want the other posters that haven't posted to get in here if possible
before the king makes his decision.

[i2i Killer 89]

Interestingly, Bluestars has suddenly started defending herself by saying stuff like this:

I'm telling you that if afroboy is taking up for me...he's
got to be innoncent because I know I am

When you're a townie you don't generally need to exclaim your innocence that much.

Anyway, am I correct in saying that Bluestars now has the most votes out of the people on my list?

[laserblue]

Vote bluestars I have not voted for you so far cause you like me are new & I just thought your mistake was because of that but now your trying to divert the suspicion on to anyone, smacks of being desperate to me.

Whats this

Quote by bluestars

I say these folks need to come read and post their opinions

Billyman
Manic
Quig
Church
laserblue
fozza
SVH
Mo1ey

If you care to read back you will see & have posted my opinions plenty.

it's not just this post but in your recent post you seem to try to divert suspicion on to anyone.

[froganomis]

so me questioning happy possibly being mafia claiming cop-like actions makes me prime suspect to him? now what were the odds of that happening?

and king i dont think the front runners are guilty to be honest,i think SVH is the most guilty of the 3 with the biggest % of votes,but hey thats why your king and im a peasant...vote: SVH

[MOLEYman]

TBH as this is my first game Im reading more that I am posting

I am finding it hard to find any evidence to try and make acusations, and nail down a mafia player

i am fully aware that sir hammer is like me a mason so can vouch for his inocence (sp??)

DOTLEO seems the most likely to me to be mafia but again I have no strong proof so will not cast a vote ATM also if axeman have vouched for his innocence this leads me to one conculsion

1 both are GOOD
2 both are BAD

I am surpised that if axeman is claiming to be a cop falsly then the real cop has not let thier position known

(im no sherlock homes am I  :'( )

another post and still no vote

[MOLEYman]

1) okay I can see how that might be possible.

2) well it's my first game too and you guys have been on my booty for every move I make...post too little post too much whatever...I guess he is smarter than me cause he'll probably last a little longer...but I think it is overstating it a bit that he has backed you up on a few occasions he has posted probably a total of 2 times...and all I can say is that if you are a Mason...then you need to get him to start backing you up....at the very least voting for people....it makes you look suspcious. I mean if I can get you to realize that I am town it would give us one more vote against the real mafia....so make him vote...even if it takes me out....I'll take my chances.

3) You know these rules a little better than I do..but I think you are right on that there is no way for him to KNOW he is innoncent unless he is either Mafia or Mason. Mafia I can see...but Mason...now if he says he is Mason...isn't that sort of saying that you and Mo1ey are not? Or is it possible to have four masons? It seems sort of unlikely to me...but I don't know. And why would he consider Mason so valuable...I thought basically a Mason knew if someone else was a Mason...so couldn't you tell us if you are a Mason whether he was or not?

4) well I guess that is an easy card to pull.

5) well that is something I guess i didn't expect in this game...that people would vote for someone just to guage their reaction. After playing for a few days now...I sort of get that kind of mentality. See your saying you were Mason so soon threw me off and to me it was like a red flag....of course that can both ways...either you are sly as a fox...or dumb as a rock...no offense.
I'm not sure Axeman claimed to be cop...I think Afroboy and a few others sort of thought he might be acting as cop. I don't think anyone should out their position at this point...it's still seems early...and I don't think it saves them...heck it makes me more supicious to be honest.

6) I don't get how you started voting for me right out of the box. I hardly said a thing...now I see why you are voting for me because you think it is going to dig my grave...well maybe...but I'm just here to say that I am innoncent and I think if you ARE Mason you are wasting ALOT of time on me...if you think I am Mafia....fine you have voted for me...so we agree to disagree...if we can agree on one thing....there is more than one Mafia....all I would like to ask from you at this point is to not give up looking into others as well.....I would like to do that too...if I go out...at least I want to find out the Mafia before I go....got to give Steven something to be proud of me for you know.

7) First off I didn't admit guilt you sneaky dude....I just meant to say I wasn't for the assasins...and totally mangled that one...whatever..... Afroboy's turn on me....heck surprised me...but he still hasn't outright defended me...but at this point I am thinking he's the only person in the game I sort of think is innoncent because he isn't voting for me and I know my role....so that's all I can say to that? I still think Yorkshire getting any flake for killing off Tommy by you is sort of ironic considering you voted for him...and so did Axeman and Amadjin....I mean you all got it wrong...and it was the first day...but are you saying what you want to vote for yorkshire for is that he did it quick meaning he didn't just say okay guys here's my short list? Because I thought he did and it was the first day....I'm not sure what to make of him....I would lean more toward innoncent and wanting to get the game going....but then again...I can see the rush vote being suspicious....along with the fact an innoncent got killed....

Quigmaster.....so why is it that someone can just quit playing because they have to go out of town or computer down or whatever and they don't get killed off...I mean to me it seems an easy play....start killing off the ones that don't post...take your chances...at least then we may find out something by who goes and then start with the ones that post...it just seems very unfair to kill off someone that is at least trying to play the game...although I'm not saying I'm voting for Quig I don't remember his situation for not playing much...but he's not the only one....there's many...Manic...and Billyman although I thought I saw him in the last day...not sure.... and Mo1ey...Hammer get your man in here...cause I think he needs to participate and play his role.

1. perfectly logical
2. why vote when im not sure ?
3. or would it be a big msitake because dotleo is mafia and it would show axeman as a consiritor
4  good point
5. why are you trying to cast the spotlight off youeslf and onto hammer and I ?
6. you know you are ?? why then try to blame others

I think you may have someting to hide but I still have no proof so will refrain from voting

[ChurchofHalo]

so you are saying afroboy could be defending me because he feels I'm going to die anyway...and
he knows I'm innoncent so it gives him an out? Can I cuss now!

No where in my post did it say that

Hmmm

[*Afroboy*]

This is madness, I didn't defend bluestars fully, she said that before and now she is saying i am defending her because i am mafia trying to be off the list but I'm innocent, please believe this and give me until the next day and then if the cop does investigate me in the night he can prove my innocence, why else would i beg someone who can find out what i am to do that??

[Sir Villain]

This is madness, I didn't defend bluestars fully, she said that before and now she is saying i am defending her because i am mafia trying to be off the list but I'm innocent, please believe this and give me until the next day and then if the cop does investigate me in the night he can prove my innocence, why else would i beg someone who can find out what i am to do that??

We don't even know for certain that he have a cop and he might want to investigate someone else anyway. Him proving your innocence would mean for him to come forward anyway which isn't good for the Town this early anyway.

We have the speculation and the evidence that everyone has said, some may be right, some may be wrong but other than that we don't have much else. On the plus side some of these lynchs should give us some information on the others involved.
I'm not so sure about all of this anymore and need a think. Glad I am not King today as this is some tough choices, but hopefully the Kingmaker will get the hint now and make either Moley or Me tomorrows King. People like Currieman though are good choices.

Remember to actually make a choice Currie, by 5 because I think the rules are that you will execute yourself if you don't make a choice.

[i2i Killer 89]

I'm really not sure who to go with.

Bluestars has started defending herself in a mafia like way. Afroboy is now saying "Oh please Mr Cop, investigate me and then claim your role and say that I'm innocent". If that happens then the mafia will know who the cop is and if it doesn't happen then everyone thinks Afro is innocent.
Billyman just isn't posting.
Yorkshire is posting but is still suspicious for me because of his quick lynch yesterday.

I'm really not sure but I think it's gonna be either Bluestars or Afroboy now because both seem to be claiming their innocence too much in my eyes.

I'll make my decision by 5