Mafia 8 - The Kingmaker - Assassins Victory

[froganomis]

nothing really goin on,king you wanna make your decision?

[i2i Killer 89]

I would but it would just be a random one like Yorkshire's as I don't can't really tell who is guilty.

Bluestars, Quig and Dotleo are at the top of the list though

[dotLeo]

People seem to be swaying towards Dotleo, My gut instincts tell me he is not a threat.

Your gut instinct is indeed correct, this time at least!

Why all the votes though?  With so many votes flying around they become less useful for putting pressure on people. 

Hammer did bring up a good argument against quig, and that is the only substantiated argument I feel is worthy of a vote, unless Quig can defend himself.

[Sir Villain]

I would but it would just be a random one like Yorkshire's as I don't can't really tell who is guilty.

Bluestars, Quig and Dotleo are at the top of the list though

One of those three would be a good choice I think although Im not so sure that Quig is actually Mafia. He is just an appallingly bad player even when pro-town. I think you should go with Bluestar or Dotleo for today. People are slowly getting more active which is bad for the mafia.

Steve Van Halen has picked up alot of votes but I think that is just for poor play. Im not really detecting any scumness from him.

This is a bit odd as Dotleo seems just to panic and go after someone on his bandwagon even though Afro hadnt voted for him. Bit too defensive methinks. Perhaps the lady doth protest too much!

I see I have been on the receiving end of a bandwagon - partly justified, in that I haven't posted much at all.  Partly due to the workload at the start of a new year at University, but not a good enough reason in itself.  I should try harder..

In response to Afroboys vote, that is classic mafia bandwagonning - his reason is fluffy and completely fabricated.  Vote Afroboy.

For a start i haven't voted for you i just said you were suspicious, also fabricated!?!?!? a lot more people think the same as me as well so are you sayin all the reasons they've said are fabricated as well?

[dotLeo]

lol! Only natural to defend myself, although I didn't notice that it wasn't an actual vote mind you, from him.  I stand by what I said, he had nothing to back up what he said - can you say mafia bandwagon?

[froganomis]

or what he said could be random suspicion throwing to test the water,and now you defending so rigourously has thrown suspicion on you,as youve now played into his hands,works both ways squire

[*Afroboy*]

or what he said could be random suspicion throwing to test the water,and now you defending so rigourously has thrown suspicion on you,as youve now played into his hands,works both ways squire

This is were I was coming from, the king said we should accuse and see if anyone slips up so thats what I was doing.

[Happy Axeman]

but where has Dotleo slipped up? he is only defending himself... and who is jumping on someone cause they think they have got someone to bandwaggon? yes, its the usual one liners from Amadjin.

I was thinking he surely cant be evil yet again can he? well i think the past few posts have convinced me he is Evil again as its the same tactics he is using, find someone to bandwaggon and chip at them with someone who is not so sure.

I am positive he is not the enemy and the king lynching Dotleo would be killing yet another Innocent and the townies will be struggling big time.

I would but it would just be a random one like Yorkshire's as I don't can't really tell who is guilty.

Bluestars, Quig and Dotleo are at the top of the list though

who's to say Yorkshire Blues lynch was random, who's to say he is not an assassin who wanted a townie dead and hide behind the fact that it was an unlucky choice. SVH was by far the most suspicious char on the last day but he chose mr Hairdo who did nothing but try to pick the game up and add input.

Amadjin, Bluestars, Quig, SVH and Yorkshire are my major suspects thus far.

[Steve Van Halen]

From reading everyones posts the multiple votes thing really has thrown this game up in the air. No one makes calculated reasons for voting for anyone anymore, you just vote for all those you find to be suspiscous. This game is descending into a farce.

If we had one vote you could justify why you are voting even its just to get the game going. At the moment its just vote for those you dont like, those you find to be suspiscous and who everyone else is voting for.


Its balls

[Happy Axeman]

but in general your votes dont mean a thing as its the King who decides who to lynch, so what exactly are you whinging at?
rather than whinging why not try playing the game as you have yet again offered nothing to stop people being suspicious of you. 

[Sir Villain]

exactly, we have to use the tools that we have and in this game we have unlimited votes.

I think the main reason for the votes on Dotleo isn't his defence, its the reason he got those votes in the first place. Shoddy hiding and trying to get a quick lynch in most of his posts. He is a clever, scurryish individual and I have a gut feeling he is mafia.

[Happy Axeman]

so if your applying those rules to Dotleo, you must also apply them equally to the other people that want a quick lynch. 

for a start, isnt Amadjin also trying to get a quick lynch?

nothing really goin on,king you wanna make your decision?

Amadjin is also a cunning little shit, so you also need to weary of him. For the record, I dont think i have ever been wrong about Amadjin being evil. perhaps this could be the first, perhaps not. 

[Sir Villain]

why don't we kill off yorkshire for his dodgy actions? even if he is good, then it will be adequate warning to future kings..

Well I think this is the main post.

If he was Town then surely he would see that executing a townie even just to teach a lesson would be costly. It sounds like he knows Yorkshire is innocent and is trying to push through a lynch while covering himself.

Amadjin hasn't really done anything although I would have to have a proper look at all his posts but I haven't the time now. That last one you quoted is what alot of people have been saying and last time it put pressure on Yorkshire to end the day early and kill an innocent which we dont need again. Last night there was 1 death so it looks like we don't have a vigilante which means we have to get these lynchs right and make me King tomorrow and I will guarantee a mafia execution!!!

[dotLeo]

I think the main reason for the votes on Dotleo isn't his defence, its the reason he got those votes in the first place. Shoddy hiding and trying to get a quick lynch in most of his posts. He is a clever, scurryish individual and I have a gut feeling he is mafia.

Shoddy hiding, was actually down to first week of lectures at uni and having to attend every single course so I can choose which ones I want to take, meant I had few free hours.  Was just trying to contribute when I did post.  lmao @ scurryish though, good one   Everyone likes to think their gut feelings are right, and I hope you have a chance to change yours before you are proven wrong.  I am but a simpleton with the ability to become a kingmaker.

Well I think this is the main post.

If he was Town then surely he would see that executing a townie even just to teach a lesson would be costly. It sounds like he knows Yorkshire is innocent and is trying to push through a lynch while covering himself.

There's no love lost between me and yorkshire - I think he did a shoddy job yesterday, and that was a pre-emptive jab.  As expected, he voted for me..

but where has Dotleo slipped up? he is only defending himself... and who is jumping on someone cause they think they have got someone to bandwaggon? yes, its the usual one liners from Amadjin.

I am positive he is not the enemy and the king lynching Dotleo would be killing yet another Innocent and the townies will be struggling big time.
who's to say Yorkshire Blues lynch was random, who's to say he is not an assassin who wanted a townie dead and hide behind the fact that it was an unlucky choice. SVH was by far the most suspicious char on the last day but he chose mr Hairdo who did nothing but try to pick the game up and add input.

Hit the nail on the head there Axeman.  Incredible.

[Happy Axeman]

@hammer
so your not putting Amadjin under suspicion for asking Currie to do a quick lynch, but your wanting to lynch dotleo for the same thing. that doesnt seem fair to me Hammer. 

your also assuming that YorkshireBlue is innocent because he was the king, there is no gaurentee he isnt an assassin is there?
whats not to say Dotleo investigated Yorkshire on pre-night and saw he was evil? so tried to submit a message to say so without revealing his role. 

when you help kill another innocent dont say i didnt warn you... 

[froganomis]

when you help kill another innocent dont say i didnt warn you... 

likewise matey,likewise

My post last night for a lynch was largely due to there being not many posts during yesterday and i contributed a good proportion of them,and i might have been cunning in recent games,but im hiding nothing this time out,im merely a king in the making

but where has Dotleo slipped up? he is only defending himself... and who is jumping on someone cause they think they have got someone to bandwaggon? yes, its the usual one liners from Amadjin..

im not jumping at anyone mr idontlikeamadjin,i merely pointed out that dotleos comments can be looked at from both angles,yet because of this i have raised more suspicion in your eyes axy? seriously wheres your detective brain gone?

[Sir Villain]

@hammer
so your not putting Amadjin under suspicion for asking Currie to do a quick lynch, but your wanting to lynch dotleo for the same thing. that doesnt seem fair to me Hammer. 

The difference is Amadjin isnt naming a target, just a general feeling of lets end this day which seems to effect many people.
Also where have I assumed Yorkshire is innocent? I was just putting forward a theory on Leo.

In fact the whole point of my guidlines was to make it easier to spot an assassin king and not let them get away with executing an innocent, but people bleated about Hippo crying and playing the game as it is, even though Hippo said clearly it was well within the rules.

Note that I have not actually said I have any major evidence on Leo, just speculation, gut feelings (and mine are normally right ) and a tenous theory.

Also I know I have claimed already but there is no need for others to claim as its just narrowing down people that could be cops, docs or even Heros.

[Happy Axeman]

think of motives. who would want Steven Ryals dead, as we all know he can be pretty good with his investigations..
1) his Girlfriend, Bluestars cause she felt threatend by his claiming of her dodgyness
2) SVH because of his tiff etc
3) someone trying to frame one of the above.

Once a group of people get a name in their heads, its virtually impossible to remove it from their brains and they become blind to the overall picture.

there are a lot more people in this game than just Dotleo...
I'll also give you my gutfeelings so far in terms of chance of being assasin...

Afroboy - not quite sure about this newby thus far. 50%
Amadjin - I just dont trust the way he plays it. 75%
Billyman - usually giving far more input than this. 75% VOTE BILLYMAN
Bluestarsneyes - another new player, but shes gone into her shell since Mr Ryals has died.. 75%
ChurchofHalo - his usual pop on post virtually nothing then go again routine. 50%
Currieman - Day 2 KING - same with Currie, he is usually far more involved than this... 60%
Dotleo - My spider senses are really strong on this one, 40%
Fozza - he's usually dead by now. lol 50%
Happy Axeman - 0% i'm deffo not the assassin.
Laserblue - 50%
Manic - 50%
Mo1ey UK - Mason ?
Sir Hammer - Mason ?
Stevenryals - killed Night 1.
Steve Van Halen - I just dont like his contribution thus far, he seems the most viable lynch. 80%
The Quigmaster - he plays the same shit every game. 50% lol
Tommy Catons Hairstylist - lynched by Yorkshire Blue.
Yorkshireblue - Day1 KING - why Tommys Hairdo? 75%

[Sir Villain]

Oh well if its lists were doing....

Purple = Confirmed innocent in my eyes
Blue=No Threat pereceived so far
Yellow= Possible Threat
Red=Likely Mafia


Afroboy - New player, not done much out of line
Amadjin - Veteran, active, bit eager for lynchs though
Billyman - Veteran, not as active as normal
Bluestarsneyes - Newb, motive for killing Steven and firm opposer to the anti-assassin rules.
ChurchofHalo - Veteran, not known for liking the early days
Currieman - Veteran, not as active as normal, playing it cool as King at the moment.
Dotleo - Semi-Newb/Veteran, scurryish, gut feeling, rush lynch attempt on Yorkshire
Fozza - Vet, always seems likely mafia like
Happy Axeman - Veteran, unactive at start due to comp errors, back to usual standard of helping out. good guy
Laserblue - Newb, unknown, not let slip so far
Manic - vet, not said much, unknown
Mo1ey UK
Sir Hammer - Mason Partners. Make one of us King for tomorrow.
Stevenryals - killed by assassins, suspected Bluestars, SVH and opposed to the rules
Steve Van Halen - reaction to his votes makes me think he is innocent
The Quigmaster - personal grudge making him look scummy, caught out with joke remarks
Tommy Catons Hairstylist - executed hastily
Yorkshireblue - poor execution of tommy possibly due to eagerness to end the day to conferr with evil friends?

[Steve Van Halen]

Its a shame you cant edit that because I cannot read in yellow. Bad choice mofo