Mafia 8 - The Kingmaker - Assassins Victory

[stevenryals]

good job manic, well played,...  i posted evidence on you followed by a vote, and you post a vote with a "you voted for me" reason... way to go..

[Sir Villain]

Right, there's a few points that you're speculating about that need to be cleared up from my point of view. Firstly, all of the roles are completely random. And secondly, the rules to this game will not change - they are set in stone. BUT, what hammer is suggesting is well within the current rules of the game. It's up to the king ulitmately to decide, but as a town you have the power to impose any consequences you like upon a king who has made a bad decision. Cheers.

Right, sos thats sorted. You can all stop having a go at me for hurting Hippos feelings and trying to "wreck" his game. You can also all stop pointlessly speculating whether or not Hippo has made all the new guys Mafia to fool us.
Todays King has rejected any guidelines on his behaviour so he should be made fully accountable for a bad decision. Having said that I will try to help him obviously as I want a good lynch today that gives us some info.

As for not believing me or Moley then thats acceptable, but we are out there now. You know we are assassins or Masons, obviously there is the issue of why of earth a Mafia member would out himself and a scum partner on Day One which some of you are ignoring but never mind. Perhaps because its WIFOM*, but who knows. We are no threat and eventually one of us will be killed as the assassins cant let confirmed innocents hang around too long and that will clear the other one, however executing one of us just to find out is just doing the mafias work for them. The reason I claimed is because there are two of us then as long as a Vig doesnt go after us then one of us at least will be alive tomorrow and one of us should be the King.

Tommy is vaguely claiming Hero or Kingmaker which I don't believe and Stevenryals made a strange assumption that the town 100% has a Vig which we have no proof of.

Why cant you understand that if a king goes against what we say, THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES, with out without your little 'guidelines'.

and yes hammer, i'm very sure the town can kill at night..

Everything here makes it look like he is indeed a Vigilante, then he backtracks out of it saying it would be stupid to claim on Day One. Clearly I could be way off, but that phrasing just seemed a bit odd.

I am off the the weekend now and hopefully will come back to see that no one has been executed yet, especially Me or Moley and if someone has hopefully Tommy or Quigmaster.
Executing me would be doing the Mafias work for them, as you have seen in past games that the most experienced players seem to get killed or targetted first (I had two recruitment attempts made on me in the first night in Good vs Evil, Hippo constantly gets killed and Axeman normally bares the brunt of the bad actions early on) for negative actions. A few people are getting by on the excuse that they have nothing to say even when so much has gone on, so they should be checked out.
The new guys are doing their share so once the originals get posting this could be a good game.

  = Me and Mo1ey in our mason group
   = Unknown so stay quiet
= Tommy, Quigmaster and Manic (he is always Mafia )
= Amadjin



*http://happyaxeman.co.uk/community/index.php?topic=6850.msg82566#msg82566

[ChurchofHalo]

Man two days off and 5 pages to wade through and still not much further along, still better to take the time and get it right.

[ManicMonkeyMan]

  = Me and Mo1ey in our mason group
   = Unknown so stay quiet
= Tommy, Quigmaster and Manic (he is always Mafia )
= Amadjin

think you will find ive been a good guy the past 3 games, so i think thats your way of trying to start a bandwagon on me. so vote me and find out its the only way if you think i'm guilty

[stevenryals]

Hammer, is this enough proof for you?

Vigilante wrote:

You are a radical vigilante. Upset with the Kingmaker system imposed on the town, you have decided to save the town on your own terms. Each night, you have the option to kill another player in the town whom you believe is an assassin. Because of your strong opposition to the Kingmaker system, you will never receive the opportunity to become a Kingmaker, but you may still be chosen to take the throne as King. You win when all the assassins are executed.

This is posted on the first page, if thats not enough proof for you, I cant bring any more proof than that...

[Sir Villain]

The townsfolk bring their own talents to the aid of the town. Any of these roles may be in the town, and there may be more than one of a particular role. There may also be roles listed who do not appear in this town.

The only role guaranteed to appear in the game from the following is that of the Kingmaker.

No thats not proof enough for me.

[yorkshire blue]

Anyway im here bluestars and i put a quite long post on before on page 5,6 or 7 i cant remember, but steve van halen is still getting my attention by only putting 1 or maybe 2 posts on and not saying much, i have a susicion he maybe an assasin but i'm not certain.
 

didnt see no long post and your gettin on to others for not posting
tommy catons hairsytlist is lookin suspicous
hammer and moley are claiming they are both masons but i think these could be playing a really good game and are infact evil

so these are top of execution list at the minute still not going to execute anyone yet though see what they have to say

[stevenryals]

Come on hammer, do you really believe hippo would go through the trouble of coming up with a role, posting it in the little quote box and then not give that role to anyone?  thats just in there so you would quote it in the game...  and thats the only reason.. all of those roles are in the game, every one of those roles has been assigned to a person.. garuanteed..  I cant see any sane person wasting that much of thier time, when it's already very time consuming to moderate a game..

-steven

[Sir Villain]

1.tommy catons hairsytlist is lookin suspicous
2.hammer and moley are claiming they are both masons but i think these could be playing a really good game and are infact evil

1. I agree
2. Could be either although I would disagree that two assassins would be playing a good game by coming out of Day One and linking each other together, one of us will have to die to definitively prove it. The same could be said about anyone though. Eventually the Mafia will have to kill us so don't do their dirty work for them.

Come on hammer, do you really believe hippo would go through the trouble of coming up with a role, posting it in the little quote box and then not give that role to anyone?  thats just in there so you would quote it in the game...  and thats the only reason.. all of those roles are in the game, every one of those roles has been assigned to a person.. garuanteed..  I cant see any sane person wasting that much of thier time, when it's already very time consuming to moderate a game..
-steven

As a mod I can see a number of reasons why he would have done that.

1.There is only one killing group so if a Cop knows for certain that he has a doctor what is to stop him claiming on Day One and getting protection until the Mafia kills the Doctor.

2. The hero role is better for the Mafia than the town. What better role to claim as for an assassin who is about to get lynched?  They could last the whole game without getting tested or counterclaimed because there might not be a Hero. Its a high risk, high reward tactic for Scum which we will have to look out for.

3. Too confuse people and to make people think there are roles in the game that there are not. We have seen no evidence so far that we have any power roles apart from mine and Mo1eys claim of masons yet you have assumed they are all in the game. That makes it easier for a Mafia member to claim something later on.

[bluestarsneyes]

OMG...Hammer.....yo u are finally making some points that I can follow...well sort of....but
dangit...if at the same time now I am confused....I see Steven's point...why make
all of these roles if someone isn't going to fill them or not....but then again....
I see Hammer's point that you could do that just to confuse the game.
So...hahaha....I'm more confused! Go figure!
 

I was thinking that there is a possibility that at least one or two of the roles may
not have players..didn't think it mattered until Hammer's point
about people using it later to confuse the issue and save themselves!!!

[stevenryals]

well, i'm going to assume that all the roles are used, and at the end of the game, i may be proved wrong. 

who's to say that there are masons in this game?  It's a good role to claim, as if another mason comes out and says "no we are the masons" you just say hey, it's not a power role, and hippo must have made two groups..

anyway, like I said, I am going to continue to assume that the roles will all be used.  Either way... no way to find out until the end of the game.

[fozza gump zzz]

FOOKIN HELL!!!

Hammer's Rules
Ok, i'm not goin to do my usual long winded old fashion language post because i have to think about that and i've only just woke up so i canna be arrrrsssed.
Hammers rules cannot be enforced and i will now explain the reason why.  The game has already started and therefore if hammer has got an evil role, he could be trying to enforce these because they will benefit his team. A townie could just come up with an idea for a new rule where all mafia die randomly at night. Its pointless and unfair as the game has already started. Nobody knows what team hammer is on, but he could have ideas to use his rules to help his role.  thats why they can't be enforced.

Laser Blue
In other news, laser blue, thank you for unvoting me and realising that my name is FOZZA not FOSSA!!! Top man.

Mr Ryals Himself
I agree with you about hammers rules to a certain extent but there is no need to have a go at him and call people names n stuff. End of the day he may be only trying to help, although it isnt, so stop bitching. You are accusing hammer of not playing the game cause he is making new rules, but you are spending so much time bithcing about the rules he is making, that you aren't playing the games either. Sorry but that had to be said.

AND ON A FINAL NOTE
Tommy Catons Hairstylist

GET YOUR HAIR CUT!!!
lol
Peace out my brothers. Holla at ya boy. lmao


P.S I told you these night shifts would catch up on me. insomnia

[stevenryals]

i'm not even going to respond to that fossa . 

[Sir Villain]

well, i'm going to assume that all the roles are used, and at the end of the game, i may be proved wrong. 
anyway, like I said, I am going to continue to assume that the roles will all be used.  Either way... no way to find out until the end of the game.

You mentioned earlier that assassin has ass in it, so does assume and as I am sure you have heard that when you assume you make an ass out of me and you.


If all these roles are in the game it makes it very hard for a Mafia player to claim anything so it is a way of balancing the game which as a mod you have to try and do. Obviously we will know more at the end of the game so there is no point speculating about it.

who's to say that there are masons in this game?  It's a good role to claim, as if another mason comes out and says "no we are the masons" you just say hey, it's not a power role, and hippo must have made two groups.

I am to say there are masons in this game, so is Moley. If some more masons came out now then I would have to suspect them of being mafia as I know we are the real masons.

King, is there anyone else other than Me. Mo1ey and Tommy that you are thinking about. Threatening some of these non-posters might get them out of the woodwork because they know that votes against them have no meaning.

___________________ __________
In response to Fozza who posted during mine


Fozza take a look at this. This is exactly the point im trying to get accross that people seem to be ignoring. This is not like saying that we should change the games system by making all Mafia have to post in blue or something absurd like that. It is making a set of guidelines that are well within the game designs. I have tryed to get this point across countless times, but its like beating my head against a brick wall. Read this and see what Hippo thinks?

Right, there's a few points that you're speculating about that need to be cleared up from my point of view. Firstly, all of the roles are completely random. And secondly, the rules to this game will not change - they are set in stone. BUT, what hammer is suggesting is well within the current rules of the game. It's up to the king ulitmately to decide, but as a town you have the power to impose any consequences you like upon a king who has made a bad decision. Cheers.

You say that I might have an evil role and my guidelines would benefit the evils. I can see the point that it gives the assassins a better chance to interfere with the process if the King is pro-town, but my point is that we do not know what side Yorkshire is on at the moment. By setting up a procedure that we can measure current and future kings by we get information on their alignhments and people they might be working with along with noticing people who have pushed for certain peoples lynching and so forth but I have already said all of this. People have repeatedly said that "everyone is against it" when I have only seen a handful of people completely criticise it, but those few are doing the most posting while the ones who have said it might be a good idea (Dotleo, Church, Currie, Amadjin) have barely featured. It seems as though the current King has no desire to do anything like this so there is no point debating it anymore....well I say debate although its not really been a debate, more of a bickering session like in the House of Commons with accusations and name calling.


Have a good weekend and up the Villa! Something there will be something good for me to read when I get back.

[froganomis]

it is a good idea hammer as im certain us town people have the majority,so it would be an entirely good idea until later on in the game where numbers get closer,so fozza you sayin it could help the evil,well frankly,it wouldnt...not until the latter stages....so i think you deserve a vote for being tired and daft...a long winded post with a daft assumption

Vote FOSSA lol

[froganomis]

oh and axy i feel the between us flourishing

[stevenryals]

*last rules post*
Having read what hippo wrote about the rules i agree that what hammer says is within the scope of the current game rules.
we can enact those rules, but i really dont think its necessary as I've stated before. 

#1 it complicates the game for all the newbies
#2 if any king goes against the towns decision and is wrong, he WILL suffer the consequences of those actions be it a night kill (if we have that) or in the next day's lynch


hammer, if you want to compile the list of percentages you can, sure, but I dont see any of those guidelines as enforcable.

anyway...

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now, I know axeman has had some probs and has some business to tend to, but in the coming days i'm expecting MUCH more participation from him as in the past.

Quig now has full access for days but isnt contributing and he is a veteran of the game.  VOTE QUIG

Dotleo, an up and coming 'almost veteran' is playing silent as well.. my vote stays

Tommy, could be a bad idea to lynch old tommy, i will wait until we get more info unvote tommy the hairstyleguy

Amadjin's quipps arent enough to make me think he's innocent, and he's definately a veteran, so he needs to post more and contribute more with good info to help the town out.  vote amadjin

here is my other list of suspicions:

Billyman
Bluestarsneyes
ChurchofHalo
Currieman
Fozza
Laserblue
Manic
Steve Van Halen

[i2i Killer 89]

Now that Moley has confirmed that he is a mason I will Unvote Sir Hammer because, even if they are mafia, there isn't much point keeping my vote on him as Yorkshire already has them at the top of the suspect list.
I still think it was odd that Hammer said he was a normal townie and then came out as a mason but with Moley confirming both their roles they are either assassins working together or they really are masons. The only way we will find out is if one of them is killed.

Anyway, there really hasn't been too much going on other then this if I'm being honest as Steven and Bluestars seem to have posted the most but have just repeated what they said earlier.

Also, I'm pretty sure that Hippo would've used all the roles that he made quotes for because otherwise he wouldn't have posted them I don't think.

I'm still not sure who I think is the most suspicious (besides Hammer) so I will go back and have a look at some point before casting another vote.

[bluestarsneyes]

I guess I can just sit back and not post...but then again...being new I can use that as an excuse right?
NOPE...seems that doesn't work either...so I post trying to get a response out of anyone other than Hammer or Steven

It seems like a lifetime before anything is going to happen because everyone seemed too worried to post
anything before today....so if nothing else....this newbie got all your bums on the board today...and
made you read...way to go...I'm just trying to learn from Hammer...hahaha...j/k

I may regret this later...but I see no reason to vote for Hammer...rather than anyone else...and the
fact that he is at least attempting to play the game is entertaining if nothing else...

P.S.....Nice Steven...I think you are suspicious of everyone in the game

UNVOTE HAMMER

VOTE....no one....everyone looks guilty

[Steve Van Halen]

Steveryals, why do you always find me suspiscous? 

The only people I find to be suspiscous here are the johnny foreigners. I say we flush them out and if you call me xenophobic I dont care. I dont know these people

vote all the yanks playing this game

I dont even know which ones are american but the yanks are always suspiscous, just look at their reasons for invading iraq