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[MIASG]

I love how I have been picked up for going missing. I have managed to get online in the past few days and found next to nothing has been posted in my absence, nothing to comment on!

whist true thats shit .. no wonder this game is dying fast .. you didn't really respond to the accusations in day 1 so I assume stats quo again day 2 ..

[stevenryals]

I'm officially back..  2 days later than expected, but I can't get upset at getting paid $2,400 by United Airlines to stay an extra day in Hawaii     Apparently there were a lot of Tsunami issues with the cruise lines having to stay in the open ocean missing all of their flights during the evacuation..

I'll be going back through the last 5 pages or so since I left..  I've skimmed over just to make sure nothing major has happened, but will go back after I get caught up on my work and really read them well..  I do see a couple people asking me about eddiemuster..

Here's what I figure..

we all assume wes is innocent becasue nobody has counterclaimed.. but Eddie has been strong in his stance against Wes.. 

So my question for Eddie is:  Are you counterclaiming against Wes?  A simple Yes or No will do..

[stevenryals]

For someone who wants to ask me somehting and then go suspiciously quiet

not exactly rocket science is it Eddie?  being 7,000 miles or so away from home..

care to answer my question?

[stevenryals]

I've been reading todays events, and will catch up with reading the 1st days events soon.

Miasg has been bringing up some rather valid reasoning for voting SVH and StevenRyals, but EddieMunster still edges it for me. I dont understand his logic for keeping the vote on Wes after it appeared to be a valid roleclaim.

I have to say I expect much more from Axeman..  he's simply propped himself up on miasg's opinions here, not offereing much in any way after having nearly 15 pages of info to process..

[stevenryals]

so is Wes good or bad steven?

I do not know, but I do have more information that I can not share..

I need to hear Eddie's response to my question before I can complete my opinion.

[stevenryals]

potental mass murdering wesmancity

after a comment like this, I really would like for you to answer my question.. (2 or 3 posts above this if you're skimming again)

[stevenryals]

Steven why say Wes isn't who he says he is and vote for someone else ?

FFS lots of questions today!!

I assume you are talking about the Axeman vote..  At the time (and still now really) the game seemed to be dying, and my thought was it'd be better to get rid of a non-poster than anyone who's actually playing, even if it meant we lost the game, at least we would get to play it..  rather lose than the game get abandoned mid way through..

I don't see my vote being counted on the last vote count, looks like HappyAxeman has voted for himself, but I'm sure TCH meant that for me, so unvote axeman since he's popped up..

As far as wes goes, I am still waiting to hear back from Eddiemunster.. depending on his answer, combined with the information that I already have I will be able to make an assesment..

before you ask, the information does not damn or clear anyone in this game..  it's from my night action and it's a fairly weak night action.  I had one night to do something, and since I figured I'd probably get killed in the first night, I went ahead and used it last night..

[MIASG]

Ryals I've asked Eddie that before and he said it was only a gut feeling ..

OK .. from my point of view I believe wes becuase he's claimed a role thats very likely .. and no one has counter claimed .. you may be right but until something else comes to light Wes is a townie .. therefore unless you have something else to add you are against a townie and therefore not a townie and I will vote for you .. however I don't think mafia person would be going after him still unless they counter claimed trying to cause confusion .. eitherway it'd be curtains for one of them possibly 2 of them after day 2.  I don't see a counter claim .. I think maybe you are just new and need to look at the logic and why voting for or against a claimer has ..

Thank you jedi master for your infinite wisdom.  I will take what you said on board.  I have a hunch and it feels right.  It is the first day and knowing much about anyone is difficult right now.  But he is erratic and in my opinion very dangerous.  I dont believe someone just because they say they are good. But maybe you are one of his mafia members trying to protect him.  Dont want one of your gang to be lynched on the first day hey?  dont want to be down one of your killer buddies before the first night phase? 

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Firstly,  I think im allowed to vote on hunch and I dont necessarily mind if people follow my thought patterns or not.  In time when wes makes more mistakes I will pick up on them.  My vote as I have always said is because I dont like his erratic style of play.  And that I found him Sus.  I have never said more than that.

[stevenryals]

Well, I'm asking again because I believe that there is more to it, and he just need to come out and say so, or he needs to be firm and say he has no other information because sometimes a  'hunch' is much more than just a hunch you see..

here's some reasoning..

Wes says:  I'm town, here's my role
Eddie..  Vote for wes

strong head to head seemingly differing orientations..

You'd think, if wes was good, and eddie bad, that the evils would pick out wes as his role seems to be a pretty strong role.. but he was not killed in the night phase..

on the other side of the coin.. Wes is considered to be good by most, and seeing Eddiemunster vote for him blatantly, seems like a townie would have went after him, assuming there is a vig in this game.. also, seems like someone would have investigated someone..  and the only person seeming to be firm on anyone so far is eddiemunster..  which is why he just needs to come on out and give what info he has unless it'd be detrimental to the town..  but as long as wes is considered to be good by most, we may not know what's going on unless eddie comes clean..  dig?

[MIASG]

I dig .. but when pressed it's already claimed otherwise .. still think if wes was to claim and he's not town then there were better characters to claim ... but don't you still find it suspicious only 1 death first night?  this is what worries me .. can't recall many games where there is no vig/sk involved .. I'm still thinking that someone has saved wes

[eddiemunster]

I'm officially back..  2 days later than expected, but I can't get upset at getting paid $2,400 by United Airlines to stay an extra day in Hawaii     Apparently there were a lot of Tsunami issues with the cruise lines having to stay in the open ocean missing all of their flights during the evacuation..

I'll be going back through the last 5 pages or so since I left..  I've skimmed over just to make sure nothing major has happened, but will go back after I get caught up on my work and really read them well..  I do see a couple people asking me about eddiemuster..

Here's what I figure..

we all assume wes is innocent becasue nobody has counterclaimed.. but Eddie has been strong in his stance against Wes.. 

So my question for Eddie is:  Are you counterclaiming against Wes?  A simple Yes or No will do..

No.  Always been gut hunch as specified in several of my other messages.  sorry i didnt get back to you sooner but its difficult to respond between the 4 messages u sent between 8:45 and 8:50.  That tends to be sleep time over here.

[MIASG]

so back to you Mr Ryals ... how does that effect what you want to say ?

[stevenryals]

No.  Always been gut hunch as specified in several of my other messages.  sorry i didnt get back to you sooner but its difficult to respond between the 4 messages u sent between 8:45 and 8:50.  That tends to be sleep time over here.

I think the town vigilante killed mophead.  Can't see mafia wanting to get rid of a non poster and non voter..

I believe that the mafia were blocked last night in trying to kill eddiemunster in order to frame Wes after my late change of heart in the last day phase.

I had two night actions to use, and I chose to use one on eddiemunster last night.  I protected him and that should explain the lack of a kill.

Had this been a strict counterclaim, it would be an easy vote for Wes..  but now we have to look at who's been less involved in the wes vs eddiemunster battle.  I believe both of them to be innocent at this point, and am very interested to hear other's ideas on who might be the culprit here..

Anyway, I do feel that eddie & Wes are most likely good..  Just have to work out who's NOT good..  But a good way to get there is process of elimination..

[MIASG]

yeah I was thinking the same line ..but 2 night time actions?   so you have 2 for the whole game?  1 left?  I think it's interesting you saved eddie as he never really counterclaimed at all ..

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Vote Count

Stevenryals has 3 votes
SVH has 2 votes
Amadjin has 1 vote
Axeman has 1 vote
Eddie has 1 vote

Mike and Steve have yet to vote

Player   Vote
Amadjin   SVH
eddiemunster   Stevenryals
Happy Axeman   Eddiemunster
MIASG   SVH
Mikeblue   
SaveChip55   Stevenryals
Stevenryals   
SteveVanHalen   Amadin
Villian   Axeman
wesmancity   Stevenryals

[Mikeblue]

I watched the Avatar in 3D at the cinema on Tuesday. Wasn't as good as I the hype suggested to be honest.

Steve why if you chose to protect Eddie to you think this makes him Town???

Maybe with the numbers in the game we have just a straight Town vs Mafia game and the mafia got off their one kill???

Are you sure you are not using this elaborate explanation to protect one of your evil buddies? If so have we found two evils in yourself and either Eddie and Wes?

Something dodgy about it all for me especially the way you are making out you are such a useful town claiming you have 2 night actions.

VOTE STEVEN RYALLS

[stevenryals]

Mike you don't seem to be following my line of thinking obviously..

If wes is who he says he is, eddie would be an ideal target for the mafia to go after considering how he stayed against wes the whole first day.  It would make wes look guilty if he turned out to be town.  Since I do believe the town vigilante is the one who took out mophead (why would mafia want to get rid of a non posting non voting player?? mophead wasn't affecting them whatsoever).   It seems to me that the mafia tried the hit on Eddiemunster, but failed because I protected him..

Obviously, I could be wrong, but logically it makes sense don't you think?

At the end of the day yesterday, after reading everything again and studying, I thought Eddie was basically counterclaiming Wes, which is why I voted Wes.  Now I know that is not the case, so I figure Wes to be exactly who he says he is. 

Are you following what I'm saying at all?

[Mikeblue]

Again I believe your logic to be flawed Mr Ryalls and I think I have stumbled upon possibly 2 mafia members. I feel it in my waters. It seems far too elaborate and usually the simple theory is the correct one. You and either Wes or Eddie are Mafia and you are trying to convince us all a little too much that you are town. I mean Wes claiming so early and now you more or less telling us your role in an effort to convinve us we must not vote for you and you are essential to the town? I think not. Doesn't sit right with me I'm afraid.

[stevenryals]

telling us your role in an effort to convinve us we must not vote for you and you are essential to the town? I think not. Doesn't sit right with me I'm afraid.

No, to the contrary actually..  i revealed my role because I'm basically useless to the town now as I have already spent 1/2 of my night actions..  Also, I revealed what I did last night because I thought it was information that was useful enough to help us decide who's what.. 

question mike:

do you think mafia killed mophead or a town vigilante?

[Mikeblue]

I'm inclined to believe it was Mafia. Simply because as I stated before with the low numbers in the game I believe this could quite possibly be a straight Town vs Mafia game with no Vigilante serial killer etc. I dont believe for one minute the Mafia would go for Eddie as you would have us believe as he was coming across as one of the most unknown quantites with his behaviour on day one so why take him out? I would have thought Wes to be a far more obvious target. Yet the way you have spoke about both and the ideas you have come up with don't sit right with me.