Mafia 16 - Mixed Theme - SK Win

[Sir Villain]

Is sitting back, misdirecting and stirring it up really something i've done this time? If you look at the three main outbursts in the day (Mike, Laser and YB), look who they're directed at and who contributed to making them happen. You'll see my name, you won't see yours. You've done very little that has any actual substance.

Exactly. It may be that you are so used to playing as mafia you are now so efficent that you blur the very lines of Town/Mafia. You have already admitted you play mafia best by doing your best for the town (I.E lynching your own). It may be that you are pressuring town in the hope that they make a slip-up which you can miscontrue as mafia? I don't know, its just a thought, which you have felt the need to strongly defend yourself against. Normal town reaction is to shrug off groundless claims I thought though?
Your often not a Barton style of badguy, but more of a Graeme Souness, slowly poisioning something right out in the open.

I agree with your run-down of the main events of the day, although i'm not sure that listing things that people already know is much of an actual contribution by yourself. Although i guess you've got to be seen to be doing something, without actually doing anything, when you're evil i suppose?

Hmm, I mention you in a list of three people that have not received much attention since I believe there is always one that slips through day one unnoticed, and I was hoping to get a good reaction from it. I mention that, and then a big attack post comes our against me, and you suppose i'm evil?
Accusing me of not making a contribution to the game sounds abit baseless as well

The information about Laser that you are using to vote is all out in the open, according to Steve, so why are you using him as your sole reason to vote? Why can't you say that you think it was suspicious yourself? Why are you trying to absolve yourself from any responsibility? Why would you say you "trust" him, when earlier you were saying quite the opposite? Strikes me as a bit of a set-up.

Earlier on I have some serious thoughts and points on Steven which I said at the time. Earlier on I thought him and you were possibly linked, although now I don't think this is the case. Steven has gone in my eyes from Probably Mafia to Possible Investigative role. He is saying he is positive that two people are mafia. You can't get away with saying that, and not having yourself questioned on it. If he is wrong then he should be seriously looked at for saying he was positive when he had no evidence.

don't think we are the only ones but fair enough .. just seem to be biding time now to see what happens to the "non posters"

Fair enough. I think everyone has agreed that Trick Pony is useless, and the fact he is trying to claim him saving himself as a genius move last game speaks volumes.

[stevenryals]

Steven, you say you are positive on laserblue so I will trust you and keep my vote on him, but you better have something

blatantly distancing.  very weak.  when i was one of your top 2 suspects earlier..  very sus that..

[stevenryals]

The information about Laser that you are using to vote is all out in the open, according to Steve, so why are you using him as your sole reason to vote? Why can't you say that you think it was suspicious yourself? Why are you trying to absolve yourself from any responsibility? Why would you say you "trust" him, when earlier you were saying quite the opposite? strikes me as a set up.

i should have read on..  this is exactly what I thought..  I still and going for laser, but not I'm must more sus of hammer..  could be Yb, Laser & hammer all 3 maf..  but doubt it, probs one non poster is mafia..     

[stevenryals]

If he is wrong then he should be seriously looked at for saying he was positive when he had no evidence.

The evidence is all there.  If you'd stop being so neutral you would be acting on it as well.

[hippo]

Normal town reaction is to shrug off groundless claims I thought though?

You mean like you just have?

Exactly. It may be that you are so used to playing as mafia you are now so efficent that you blur the very lines of Town/Mafia. You have already admitted you play mafia best by doing your best for the town (I.E lynching your own). It may be that you are pressuring town in the hope that they make a slip-up which you can miscontrue as mafia? I don't know, its just a thought, which you have felt the need to strongly defend yourself against.

What do you mean "Exactly"? If you'd said the above originally then i wouldnt have minded, because it's something that is conceivable. I'm not, i'm playing as town and helping because i am town this time, but i'd have accepted it as a possible. But you didn't say that, you said..

the real mafia could have just been watching all this up misdirecting, and stirring it up so we have to watch for that as well. Currieman, Hippo and Amadjin all fit this criteria. Fairly confident one of these will turn up scum.

That's nothing like your new version, and is something i definitely don't do. And it can't even have looked like i was doing. So obviously i'm going to defend, because it's not just a groundless accusation, it's an outright lie.

Earlier on I have some serious thoughts and points on Steven which I said at the time. Earlier on I thought him and you were possibly linked, although now I don't think this is the case. Steven has gone in my eyes from Probably Mafia to Possible Investigative role. He is saying he is positive that two people are mafia. You can't get away with saying that, and not having yourself questioned on it. If he is wrong then he should be seriously looked at for saying he was positive when he had no evidence.

Pretty sure he's already denied this, as you acknowledged at the beginning of your post. So why persist with it? Why make that your reason for voting? Why not think for yourself?

Hmm, I mention you in a list of three people that have not received much attention since I believe there is always one that slips through day one unnoticed, and I was hoping to get a good reaction from it. I mention that, and then a big attack post comes our against me, and you suppose i'm evil?
Accusing me of not making a contribution to the game sounds abit baseless as well

You actually contradict this point at the start of your post, by saying you think i've been prominent and involved in conflicts, to make myself look town. So how could i possibly also be "slipping through unnoticed"?

Not making much sense are you?

[Sir Villain]

Earlier on I thought him and you were possibly linked, although now I don't think this is the case.

Whoa, maybe I spoke to soon? That doesnt seem like a double team at all does it guys?

The evidence is all there.  If you'd stop being so neutral you would be acting on it as well.

True, cause its clear to this retard you are either a cop or mafia. Thats the only thing keeping my vote of you, why I have reversed my opinion on you....

[hippo]

Whoa, maybe I spoke to soon? That doesnt seem like a double team at all does it guys?

Whoa, that doesn't seem like a complete sidetrack from addressing any of the points made, does it guys?

[i2i Killer 89]

I admit I've been a bit quieter than I usually am but it's mainly because lots of the stuff that is happening gets commented on by somebody before I get a chance to post and then all that I can do is just agree with them about their point which feels like a bit of a waste of time in some ways. I do agree with lots of the points that have been made, such as Laser's odd reaction and how he didn't give us that information about Afro, Wes being very quiet recently, Axeman disappearing off the face of the Earth and Trick Pony's odd style of play.

A vote count would be useful but I think this day could roll on because nobody really wants to lynch the same person

[Quig]

VOTE COUNT
MikeBlue: 3 (Wesmancity, Happy Axeman, Trick Pony)
Happy Axeman: 1 (Afroboy)
MIASG: 2 (MasterZulu, Mikeblue)
Afroboy: 2 (TCH, Hippo)
Trickpony: 3 (Laserblue, Amadjin, Currieman)
Laserblue: 2 (Stevenryals, Sir Villain)
Stevenryals: 2 (Yorkshire Blue, MIASG)

8 Votes for a lynch.

[froganomis]

i think there's a good chance that theres something weird about villian this time round

first off passing responsibility to steveryals
then trying to sidetrack from point when confronted by hippo?

and whats with this theory of me being mafia by association of misdirection?i have only been segregating people and accusing them to gauge their reactions.and when i wasnt doing that i was either having a joke or following up on suspicions.if anything this is just total misdirection on your part,i dont recall seeing currie or hippo doing this either?

i have noticed since being accused,wes has disappeared.was there a reason for it??? or was nothing said??

[MIASG]

Hammerbro said nothing about the non-posters .. and since the worst 2  happy and afro have already voted then they are and should be available to be voted for ... anyone check if happy is alive? he was posting then vanished .. afro's 2 posts were and are useless .. so my vote for afro will still stand.  if and when happy comes back he's in my opinion more likley to post. 

[Quig]

I've spoken to afroboy and he will get replaced soon unless he starts posting.

[MIASG]

thanks hammerbro ... what about Happy Axeman ? 

unvote afroboy

[Happy Axeman]

just a quick one before i head off to the match to say soz, my connection went down, then some joyriding bastards have smashed into my car and written it off. I have not been in the best frame of mind to be doing anything. I havent even turned my pc on for days.
will try and catch up with the game later.

[stevenryals]

Hi all, bluestars and I are off to Italy today to tie the knot..  the old ball and chain     
I will not have access until the 18th.


I have to pack up things now but one last post..


hammer says I'm either a cop of mafia.. that's pretty bold..  considering I'm talking about 2 different players who have displayed themselves as mafia, laser & Yb..  it seems so obvious..  it's either the worlds worst screwup by a town player, or they're part of a mafia..
i'm sticking with laser through and through...  I am a normal townie with a silly role, my only power is to do what i've been doing and trying to pick out mafia..  the Villian seems to be trying to label me so i get killed in the night phase..  ive not made it past day 2 in AGES.. 

so hammer, if you could please stop trying to label townies, and look for mafia.. that'd be great.. and stop calling yourself a retard, you're making a big deal out of nothing.. i was frustrated with people not listening... and still am.. 

Amadjin brings a good point, Wes has disappeared since he was pressured.. possibly trying to float through day 1.

TCH & Hippo still have their vote on Afroboy, when they log on again, we should expect their votes to be removed considering afroboy will either get involved or be replaced.. 

laser has gone missing as well..  ??  hmmm... that was predictable..  the man is mafia...  and his buddy yorkshire blue hasn't helped his plight..

good luck... i'll try to check in today before we leave.. but after that i'm gone.. bout 6 hours to go.. really excited, never been to italy b4..

[MIASG]

good luck to you both ... I'm sure in some little Italian villiage you'll sit down and have a coffee and see an internet cafe and think - just 5 mins to see what's going on !

I am a normal townie with a silly role, my only power is to do what i've been doing and trying to pick out mafia..  the Villian seems to be trying to label me so i get killed in the night phase..  ive not made it past day 2 in AGES.. 

  not getting past day 2 is usually your own fault .. you looking for sympathy to get you there in this game?   how can you be a normal townie but have a silly role ?  and pick out mafia?  what happens if you do/don't?  sounds like any other town role. 

you have been really strong in your accusations and it's pretty plain to see why hammer/villian labelled you a cop.

[froganomis]

hmm,marraige in italy? mafia originate from italy,or there abouts lol

unvote tp,vote steveryals

[Trick Pony]

I find it very interesting that you've AGAIN..  tried to divert attention away from LASERBLUE..  Why have you left out Laserblue here?

you're not even looking at him..  wonder why?

i agree Steve, they are both mafia in my mind its up to the rest of you to decide... Mikeblue, Laser and Sir Noob are all in my top three

[Trick Pony]

Maybe we are missing the obvious? Steven seems to be sure about Laserblue. His actions make completely no sense unless he is absolutely sure? If Steven is just going on Laserblues reaction, then its strange that he is coming out so strong on him because no one else really sees it. Maybe he is going on some other information...that or coming out strong on a scumbuddy to make himself look good.

Here he is pretty much threatening to kill himself unless we vote for Laserblue. That seems pretty certain to me. If you look back at Stevens post he started mentioning Laserblue in a subtle way early on like saying he was specifically dodgy for being inactive when at the time several players were, but he didnt comment on them. For fear of Stevens head exploding, and to explore a potential avenue....


Vote:Laserblue

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So am I a Noob, or an old man? Make up your mind? Why are you whinging about being lynched? Your no where near it. The reaction to some vintage mild probing has made you look worse.  When I am town and someone accuses me, I calmly rebut their point, and point out something else that I have noticed about someone elses actions, because I am confident I wont be lynched because I am playing town. You have come out early all guns blazing screaming for the hills with "it be on your head if I am Lynched!!!" style stuff. I cant make 7 others vote for you without some proper evidence which I have already admitted, but your reaction is interesting....if you are a pro-town player then sit down, shut up and try and help the town.

both actually... and whats with you wont be lynched because your playing town  if you mentioned town one more time you would have brain washed my into believing it... I dont need to mention that im town because I am..  people who keep mentioning that they are town are generally mafia and you seem to fit that discription pretty well at the moment. 

Although you maybe town it seems unlikley at this point because of your defense of laser... your last post on laser seems to be a cover so you can say I have voted him blah blah blah but im not buying it at this stage... your an experienced player who knows the tricks around certain situations too well which maybe your down fall...

and I am still deeply hurt by you calling me a nob 

I could barely finish my breakfast

I hope you were not eating bangers and mash... I appoligise  hopefully you can finish your breaky now

[Trick Pony]

Starting to heat up a bit now. Many peole with many differing opinions.

The whole Steve going after Laser thing seems a bit far fetched in my opinion. I mean what is Laser going to say when askek specifically about Afro? I see nothing in it to be honest but as Sir Villian said maybe Steve does know something? Stev do you know something?

Amidjin I think is acting very sus still and I am surprised no1 else has picked up on his show up and post without saying a great deal and snide off again. What has he actually contributed???

Trick Pony is being his normal self I see nothing in it at moment and where the hell is Axeman gone to?

Sir Hammer seems very cool and calculated about things this game......is this cause he is town or pretending to be town....one wonders. Same must also be said with Hippo. Always very difficult to say early doors with these two. I have still got my eyes on MIASG for reasons stated early and Toms insistance on erasing Afro is dodgy??? I see no logic in this at all. I mean ok he is not playing at the moment but I'm sure he will do and I'm pretty sure he has a boring role and that is why he is not at the moment.

what a surprise... Mike defending Laser, all we need to laser to defend mike again...