Mafia 16 - Mixed Theme - SK Win

[MIASG]

were you thinking about nobs the whole time you were having breakfast ? 

[Mikeblue]

Starting to heat up a bit now. Many peole with many differing opinions.

The whole Steve going after Laser thing seems a bit far fetched in my opinion. I mean what is Laser going to say when askek specifically about Afro? I see nothing in it to be honest but as Sir Villian said maybe Steve does know something? Stev do you know something?

Amidjin I think is acting very sus still and I am surprised no1 else has picked up on his show up and post without saying a great deal and snide off again. What has he actually contributed???

Trick Pony is being his normal self I see nothing in it at moment and where the hell is Axeman gone to?

Sir Hammer seems very cool and calculated about things this game......is this cause he is town or pretending to be town....one wonders. Same must also be said with Hippo. Always very difficult to say early doors with these two. I have still got my eyes on MIASG for reasons stated early and Toms insistance on erasing Afro is dodgy??? I see no logic in this at all. I mean ok he is not playing at the moment but I'm sure he will do and I'm pretty sure he has a boring role and that is why he is not at the moment.

[stevenryals]

I also didn't mention the other 80% of players  .. I didn't know I had to comment on Laserblue eveytime I posted ... I have said before that if laser was mafia then why would he protect or look to protect afro?  unless afro is mafia with him .. there were things that he said after that still to me remain very dodgy .. this is what I had posted yesterday Steven .. again why I had to comment on it again ?  and by the looks of it Happy hasn't bee non for longer ...

you're backwards.. he never protected afro..  until it was brought up, then he said the bit about all afro has had to do... 
then after getting called on it, he responded with a mafioso style jump kneejerk defense..   

[stevenryals]

Maybe we are missing the obvious? Steven seems to be sure about Laserblue. His actions make completely no sense unless he is absolutely sure? If Steven is just going on Laserblues reaction, then its strange that he is coming out so strong on him because no one else really sees it. Maybe he is going on some other information...that or coming out strong on a scumbuddy to make himself look good.

Here he is pretty much threatening to kill himself unless we vote for Laserblue. T

I feel pretty positive about him and YB at this point. 

[Mikeblue]

I feel pretty positive about him and YB at this point. 

Both of them???

[stevenryals]

Both of them???

yup... blows one of your theories eh? 

[MIASG]

I feel pretty positive about him and YB at this point. 

so it's just a feeling .. but a strong one.  Well going by a few peoples response about afro just being a normal townie then I guess the same can be said for Happy, YB, and MZ since they are all never on much and not posting.

[Tommy Caton's Hairstylist]

....and Toms insistance on erasing Afro is dodgy??? I see no logic in this at all. I mean ok he is not playing at the moment but I'm sure he will do and I'm pretty sure he has a boring role and that is why he is not at the moment.

but this is my point what if everyone with a boring role did what afro's doing ? What sort of game would it be ? Pointless !! Why should he have a free ride until he starts to play then all's forgiven ? I don't think it's right and i have voted accordingly.

[stevenryals]

Happy & MZ do look sus..  BUT. ..  laser is the one for day one I believe..


TCH I agree with what your saying..  there has to be some consequences.. but there aren't any yet.. that'll be up to the mod i guess.

[hippo]

Well going by a few peoples response about afro just being a normal townie then I guess the same can be said for Happy, YB, and MZ since they are all never on much and not posting.

No.

YB and MZ both turn up when they get mentioned or get voted for. That's far more suspicious, because they're clearly keeping an eye on the game, but lying low somewhat. YB has said nothing since his explosive defense of Laser (http://happyaxeman.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=10559.msg121782#msg121782), and it's worked, because only two people have pulled it up as suspicious. Zulu has promised thoughts every now and again, and never does. Clearly paying attention, but putting in no actual effort or help to getting the right lynch.

Axeman hasn't been active on the site at all, and has posted quite frequently when he has been active, so i don't think you can really accuse him of not being interested. Just not around.

I don't get this whole pushing for Afro to be lynched thing. It's already been stated a few times that he's probably going to be replaced, so what's the rush? Worried that the easy vote will disappear? I've stated why i think he's probably a plain townie and that's been argued against with "if he's not helping, we may as well lynch him anyway". This makes no sense. I'd much rather keep someone alive who's simply not doing anything to help us, rather than keeping someone alive who is helping us, but in the wrong direction, as the mafia invariably will be doing.

[Mikeblue]

yup... blows one of your theories eh? 

Yeah kind of......positive is such a strong word too thast all Steve. Are you sure you are.....POSITIVE?

[Mikeblue]

Yorkys scathing defence of Laser was sus yes as this would be a stupid move for mafia. Yorky may have slipped here or maybe they are masons or maybe Yorky just didn't think Laser was mafia for saying what he said. Depends what view point you take really.

[Tommy Caton's Hairstylist]

i haven't seen Hammerbro say anything about replacing Afro, just other players who have no say in what happens.

Hippos come out defended Afro several times so maybe he knows something about afro's role ? Masons maybe ?

If no one is going to follow my lead on afro then it is a wasted vote, i'll review what transpires over night and maybe change it tomorrow.

[hippo]

Hippos come out defended Afro several times so maybe he knows something about afro's role ? Masons maybe ?

To defend someone, they'd have needed to be accused of something. What have you accused him of? I can't remember you once saying you think he's mafia, just that we should lynch him. Why? Surely pushing for a replacement, rather than a quick lynch on someone who, by quite a few people's logic, is probably just a normal townie - hence the lack of enthusiasm regarding the game - is the better way to go. It gives non-posters the exact same message, but also retains the probable townie for the rest of the game.

It's lynching based on nothing, and if that's how we're gonna go, we may as well have just picked someone about two weeks ago.

Yorkys scathing defence of Laser was sus yes as this would be a stupid move for mafia. Yorky may have slipped here or maybe they are masons or maybe Yorky just didn't think Laser was mafia for saying what he said. Depends what view point you take really.

Seem quite scared of expressing an actual opinion there, Mike.

[Tommy Caton's Hairstylist]

wow one post, so i'll leave my vote where it is

[MIASG]

Axeman hasn't been active on the site at all, and has posted quite frequently when he has been active, so i don't think you can really accuse him of not being interested. Just not around.

no but afro has in the last 5 days but didn't post .. why?  We haven't heard from hammerbro yet - still waiting .. maybe afro or happy have a role that's needed in this game ?  that's why they haven't been replaced or removed ..

Afro's hardly had more than what 3-4 votes on him .. if laser knows he's mafia or godfather surely he's safe until he gets closer to 7-8 so he's not interested .. if laser "defended" him and he's good then why is laser such a high profile for people .. that doesn't compute to me?  maybe since I'm so think someone would like to simplify it for me

[hippo]

no but afro has in the last 5 days but didn't post .. why?  We haven't heard from hammerbro yet - still waiting .. maybe afro or happy have a role that's needed in this game ?  that's why they haven't been replaced or removed ..

Afro's hardly had more than what 3-4 votes on him .. if laser knows he's mafia or godfather surely he's safe until he gets closer to 7-8 so he's not interested .. if laser "defended" him and he's good then why is laser such a high profile for people .. that doesn't compute to me?  maybe since I'm so think someone would like to simplify it for me

That's true, didn't see that. I was going on what Laser was saying about him not having checked it, rather than checking people's profiles. That then is dodgy, i agree.

Laser didn't defend Afro at all. He made out that there was no reason for Afro to not be posting for ages, then Steve said something pointing out that Laser'd usually have come up with a few reasons for Afro not posting, to which he responded by listing about ten reasons. Myself, Currie and Steve pointed out it was odd that he'd kept this from everyone, in response to which he exploded, and defended ridiculously strongly, accusing us of "attacking" him, when in reality, we'd just pointed something odd out. People who are touchy in these games, generally have something to hide. And then, Yorkshire Blue also came on aggressively saying the exact same things as Laser had said in his defense. It is blatantly the most suspicious thing that's happened.

But i'm willing to vote afro now that i know he's been checking the game, and just not posting. Because he might have just seen me saying he probably wasn't evil, and therefore felt no need to come out of hiding. He actually has a chance of being dodgy in my mind now. Probably not as strongly as i suspect Laser or YB, but clearly that isn't a shared view.

unvote Laser
vote Afro

[Sir Villain]

tempted to unvote since one of my thoughts has been rejected.

yup... blows one of your theories eh? 

Wes, Masterzulu, Afro and Axeman are being suspiciously quiet, with Currieman and Amadjin being relatively quiet for them.
As of now I think TP, Mikeblue and Afroboy are all on roughly 3 votes each.

Afroboy having been online and not posting despite all this makes it very dodgy. Axeman has not been online since October and prior to that was active so hopefully he will be back sharpish. If hammerbro clarifies what action he is going to take then maybe Afro would get my vote unless he was being replaced.

There are several reasons to vote several people. In my mind the key points of the day have been

• Mikeblues sloppy posts early in the day
• Stevens blatant twisting of words and strong attacks on players [He is positive, but has no proof]
• The Laserblue/Afroboy incident with Yorkshires outburst
• Trick Pony looking dodgy, but Miasg and TCH dismissing it as his normal style
• lurking of Axeman, Afro, Zulu and now Wes
• People wanting Afro to be removed, instead of replaced?

Our votes should be based on these as this is all we really have, but the real mafia could have just been watching all this up misdirecting, and stirring it up so we have to watch for that as well. Currieman, Hippo and Amadjin all fit this criteria. Fairly confident one of these will turn up scum.

Steven, you say you are positive on laserblue so I will trust you and keep my vote on him, but you better have something

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Mod, Vote count please?

[hippo]

tempted to unvote since one of my thoughts has been rejected.

Wes, Masterzulu, Afro and Axeman are being suspiciously quiet, with Currieman and Amadjin being relatively quiet for them.
As of now I think TP, Mikeblue and Afroboy are all on roughly 3 votes each.

Afroboy having been online and not posting despite all this makes it very dodgy. Axeman has not been online since October and prior to that was active so hopefully he will be back sharpish. If hammerbro clarifies what action he is going to take then maybe Afro would get my vote unless he was being replaced.

There are several reasons to vote several people. In my mind the key points of the day have been

• Mikeblues sloppy posts early in the day
• Stevens blatant twisting of words and strong attacks on players [He is positive, but has no proof]
• The Laserblue/Afroboy incident with Yorkshires outburst
• Trick Pony looking dodgy, but Miasg and TCH dismissing it as his normal style
• lurking of Axeman, Afro, Zulu and now Wes
• People wanting Afro to be removed, instead of replaced?

Our votes should be based on these as this is all we really have, but the real mafia could have just been watching all this up misdirecting, and stirring it up so we have to watch for that as well. Currieman, Hippo and Amadjin all fit this criteria. Fairly confident one of these will turn up scum.

Steven, you say you are positive on laserblue so I will trust you and keep my vote on him, but you better have something

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Mod, Vote count please?

Is sitting back, misdirecting and stirring it up really something i've done this time? If you look at the three main outbursts in the day (Mike, Laser and YB), look who they're directed at and who contributed to making them happen. You'll see my name, you won't see yours. You've done very little that has any actual substance.

I agree with your run-down of the main events of the day, although i'm not sure that listing things that people already know is much of an actual contribution by yourself. Although i guess you've got to be seen to be doing something, without actually doing anything, when you're evil i suppose?

The information about Laser that you are using to vote is all out in the open, according to Steve, so why are you using him as your sole reason to vote? Why can't you say that you think it was suspicious yourself? Why are you trying to absolve yourself from any responsibility? Why would you say you "trust" him, when earlier you were saying quite the opposite? Strikes me as a bit of a set-up.

[MIASG]

• Trick Pony looking dodgy, but Miasg and TCH dismissing it as his normal style

don't think we are the only ones but fair enough .. just seem to be biding time now to see what happens to the "non posters"