Mafia 16 - Mixed Theme - SK Win

[i2i Killer 89]

Steven made a good point and Laser comes back with some very poor responses. FOS Laserblue. Is very odd though, why didn't you tell us earlier Laser?

[stevenryals]

why didn't you tell us earlier Laser?

certainly he loves afroboy and would hate to see him lynched on the first day..  but when he knows that afroboy is not on his team... maybe an exception could be made, just this once..

I believe mr laserblue is evil.. 

[yorkshire blue]

unvote mikeblue vote steven ryals
how can you be so sure laserblue is evil
hippo also trying to go after laser aswell but asnt voted for him yet is this just a mafia tactic to get everyone voting laser and hippo stays out of voting and doesnt look sus
he might be town with afro and steven might know that

certainly he loves afroboy and would hate to see him lynched on the first day..  but when he knows that afroboy is not on his team... maybe an exception could be made, just this once..

I believe mr laserblue is evil.. 

your saying hes defending afro now your saying there not on the same team

It was pretty much nothing, you're right. I dunno about him, but i certainly wasn't "attacking" you, i was acknowledging a decent point - and then speculated a few reasons for what you might have said; not all of them were even negative towards you. The fact that you've come out on the ultra-defensive at something so minor, to me, suggests you have something to hide.

I thought you'd come up with quite a good point in response, with stumbling upon Steve just having voted for a small amount of easy targets.. but having looked through, he's voted for six people: MIASG, YB, Afroboy, TCH, Zulu and Laser. I'd say of those, half are easy in this game, half aren't. He is suspicious for a few things, but you making stuff up to try and justify a flawed theory doesn't help you.

which of the votes of stevens arent easy targets
me- not posted much so had a vote
miasg- always looks sus
afroboy- not posted
laser- not posted
-zulu not posted

that just leaves tch but he asnt posted much and usually looks sus aswell

I agree with this actually, it's the first genuinely good point that's been made for a long time. Suggests to me that they're either mafia/evil together, laser's mafia and looking to not discourage any lynch against someone with no defense, or he suspects afro of actually being evil this time, and therefore doesn't want to be linked in any way.

Looking back, he's voted for YB, Zulu and Trick Pony so far. Seems very much to correspond with the "going for easy targets" mafia school of play.

voting them is mafia school of play its funny that stevenryals as also voted two of those

Also i thought I would not attack miasg and tch for a change to see how the game starts though it looks like a majority of you love the conflict or were missing it since you all started to attack me with shit reasons... hes talking shit again, has never said / done anything useful in the game...
I dont play that same way as everyone else on purpose, just think about how boring would it be if everyone played the same way you would have nothing to whinge about, everyone has seen the different ways people play the game and I like targeting people as they have a better chance to slip as they get all hyped up over it...  now get over the way I play and vote for me when you actually have a reason otherwise your simply not helping the town much like MIASG did in the last game, if it wasnt for me saving him and myself at the right times we would have lost

you dont play the same way as everyone one else no but you are usually boring as you go after maisg and tch all the time
you like targeting people you dont do that much

[yorkshire blue]

ive messed that post up abit with the qoutes

[hippo]

Haha, is it me, or have you both not completely over reacted to some minor probing, giving yourselves away somewhat?

ive messed that post up abit with the qoutes

You have, but don't worry, i've taken the time to read it.

which of the votes of stevens arent easy targets
me- not posted much so had a vote
miasg- always looks sus
afroboy- not posted
laser- not posted
-zulu not posted

that just leaves tch but he asnt posted much and usually looks sus aswell

As you're asking. I wouldn't consider MIASG, Laser or TCH as easy targets, because they're all likely to defend themselves pretty strongly. I might be wrong, but i'm pretty sure they all usually die at night, rather than via a lynch. Afro's not usually an easy target, he's usually a strong player, that's why i've tried to drag him out and get him involved, but as it's now clear he has some genuine reasons for not posting (hidden from us for much of the time i persisted with this), i'll unvote afro.

voting them is mafia school of play its funny that stevenryals as also voted two of those

Steve made a good point, i agreed, then Currie agreed. Steve's the only one who thinks it definitely makes him evil, me and Currie both just said it was a bit odd. It's the reaction Laser has given to slight accusations that is making me think he's dodgy, not the actual voting thing, which i mentioned in passing.

hippo also trying to go after laser aswell but asnt voted for him yet is this just a mafia tactic to get everyone voting laser and hippo stays out of voting and doesnt look sus
he might be town with afro and steven might know that

Define "go after". I don't think i was even slightly aggressive with my posts. Which is why the reaction from both of you is so surprising. Anyone this touchy must be dodgy. So, i am going to vote for him.

vote Laserblue

how can you be so sure laserblue is evil

How can you be so sure he isn't?

[Quig]

VOTE COUNT
MikeBlue: 3 (Wesmancity, Happy Axeman, Trick Pony)
Happy Axeman: 1 (Afroboy)
MIASG: 2 (MasterZulu, Mikeblue)
Afroboy: 1 (TCH)
Trickpony: 4 (Laserblue, Sir Villain, Amadjin, Currieman)
Laserblue: 2 (Stevenryals, Hippo)
Stevenryals: 1 (Yorkshire Blue)

8 Votes for a lynch.

Sorry if i've made more mistakes.

[Tommy Caton's Hairstylist]

As you're asking. I wouldn't consider MIASG, Laser or TCH as easy targets, because they're all likely to defend themselves pretty strongly. I might be wrong, but i'm pretty sure they all usually die at night, rather than via a lynch. Afro's not usually an easy target, he's usually a strong player, that's why i've tried to drag him out and get him involved, but as it's now clear he has some genuine reasons for not posting (hidden from us for much of the time i persisted with this), i'll unvote afro.

Normally killed and normally during the first night Hippo

I disagree about Afro having legitimate reason, we can all make up legitimate reasons not to post, work, sport, family, holiday but at the end of the day it's not hard to find 5 mins to post. I think miasg and myself have posted while o/s on holidays before, zulu and C'man while away too.
The last game had 35+ pages for day one and then finished the game in about another 10-15 pages, normally once you get past the first day it's easier to find links to mafia people. So if afro can't be bothered to show up and post despite various prompting from his dad then why not vote him off and keep the game moving.
Everyone else has been vary cagey and this theme makes it hard to work out roles/characters.

[Sir Villain]

This seems the only way forward. Not sure whether Hippo and Steven are on the right track, but the choices are clear. Non-posters are not helping the town lynch the mafia. They need to be targetted. Laserblue is defending Afro, but the votes should be directed at Afro, not Laser. If Afro turns up mafia then we can look back at Laser, but for now Afro has to be pressured.

Unvote, Vote Afroboy

[hippo]

This seems the only way forward. Not sure whether Hippo and Steven are on the right track, but the choices are clear. Non-posters are not helping the town lynch the mafia. They need to be targetted. Laserblue is defending Afro, but the votes should be directed at Afro, not Laser. If Afro turns up mafia then we can look back at Laser, but for now Afro has to be pressured.

Unvote, Vote Afroboy

I don't agree. Alright they're not helping, but they're also pretty unlikely to be mafia. Not people like YB or Zulu or whoever, who actually turn up when you mention them, then disappear again - they might be mafia using tactics - but people like Afro, who hasn't responded, despite having votes and everything. The fact that Laser has indicated he was busy, but could also have posted, seems to suggest apathy towards this game. He hasn't been mafia much (if at all), and i don't think it'd be the case that he'd be not bothered about playing if he had a role like that. He'd be keen. If he was lurking as a tactic, he'd have been out as soon as he got voted for, or got attention, but he hasn't. I don't want to lynch someone just for the sake of it, because in my opinion, it'll just result in reduced townie numbers, and give all the evil folk a free day and night.

If we're going to vote for a "non-poster" to improve the game, i'd be much more willing to vote for one of the people who say nothing at all, until mentioned, then appear, make a few excuses, promise they'll contribute more in the near future, and then disappear again. Like Zulu (there's probably more than just him, i just can't think of them right now, i'm tired). They're more likely to be mafia i think.

[MIASG]

...... last game it was obvious to tell what role he was because he was not only posting a lot more but so I could tell if he was innocent & he also weny out of his way to protect yorks which meant he had to know something about him ie mason. I told everyone this & I was ignored & he was killed by the town.  This time he has not been posting so how do I know what role he is?
above anyone else you should know how difficult it is when someone else in the same house is playing especially isf there younger .... Steven I am suprised at you or do you have a motive to mis-represent what I have posted?

your encouragement of saving YB in the last game kept him alive from me at night for a while .. but becuase he knew who he was doesn't mean you knew he was mason .. I also took that at the time meaning you knew he was good and I thought you wer egood on day 1 in 24.  I also strongly disagree that Afro was posting alot more in the last game - from my recollections he was missing for large chunks of the game - part of the reason I killed him at night and that was long after you had died.  This time you don't know what he is becuase he's not posting - true.  I still believe if you were mafia you  wouldn't give a shit if people voted for him unless he was too .. that also means you could be cult and your indifferent.  You seem to have plenty of time to posts .. from your posts I can only conclude that he is still around .. I think I've given him enough time to come on - it's been a long time since his last post on the 29th ..so my vote is going to go on Afroboy - he's hiding as he thinks his mafia mates will save him .. or he just doesn't care to play.  VOTE AFROBOY .. it'll be interesting to see if he re-appears if he's close to being lynched.  Hippo's just posted ... Hippo how can you say you'd rather vote off Zulu for his non posting rather than someone who's just not on at all ?? we'd only get to day 3 or 4 and still know nothing about afro ... if you put pressure on the others then you know you can get answers back ..

[hippo]

Hippo how can you say you'd rather vote off Zulu for his non posting rather than someone who's just not on at all ?? we'd only get to day 3 or 4 and still know nothing about afro ... if you put pressure on the others then you know you can get answers back ..

Might not be better for the game as such, but which would you say was more suspicious.. not posting until you get mentioned? or just not being arsed to check the thread? Alright, what Afro's doing is more annoying, but i don't think it's as suspicious as the other option. It just suggests a lack of eagerness towards the game i.e. a lack of a decent role. Can he not just be replaced if he doesn't want to play?

[Tommy Caton's Hairstylist]

i understand where your coming from Hippo but i don't agree if he can't be bothered with day one and wants to get to the later days before joining in then get rid of him to show people that these tactics to not work and participation does.

[stevenryals]

unvote mikeblue vote steven ryals
how can you be so sure laserblue is evil
hippo also trying to go after laser aswell but asnt voted for him yet is this just a mafia tactic to get everyone voting laser and hippo stays out of voting and doesnt look sus
he might be town with afro and steven might know thatyour saying hes defending afro now your saying there not on the same team ???voting them is mafia school of play its funny that stevenryals as also voted two of those

HAHA.!!!!!  THIS is absolute quality YB..  I've never seen such a long post from you.. must be 10 times the size of your longest post so far..  You've came out of your shell very very unusually here..  I remember the last time you did that and you turned out to be evil.. and you turned out to be protecting the godfather..

Laser should be lynched first
then YB

end of..

Afroboy is not the way to go I don't believe..

[MIASG]

Might not be better for the game as such, but which would you say was more suspicious.. not posting until you get mentioned? or just not being arsed to check the thread? Alright, what Afro's doing is more annoying, but i don't think it's as suspicious as the other option. It just suggests a lack of eagerness towards the game i.e. a lack of a decent role. Can he not just be replaced if he doesn't want to play?

I'd rather him just disappear from the game and we continue with day 1 .. but that aint gonna happen.

[MIASG]

i understand where your coming from Hippo but i don't agree if he can't be bothered with day one and wants to get to the later days before joining in then get rid of him to show people that these tactics to not work and participation does.

I agree - it's like voting for Obama .. to get the change you want you need to vote for him first.  He was keen to sign up and even signed up laser if I remember rightly so not being on is just not right in my opinion.

[i2i Killer 89]

If Afroboy was mafia he'd almost definitely be posting a lot more because it's an important role. As he isn't that suggests that he is just a normal townie who can't be arsed to post. It's surely better to leave him in and see if he does start posting a bit more maybe on day 2 rather than killing off what could be a potential townie. We have no idea whether he is townie or mafia at this stage and people just want to get rid of him because he isn't posting.

This could just be gifting mafia an easy way into day 2 and I bet if Afro does get lynched and you look at the people who voted for him then atleast 2 of them will be mafia out of the 8 voting. I'd much rather lynch someone that I thought was suspicious (like Trick Pony, Laser or Mikeblue) than kill off Afro before I've had a chance to really try and figure out what role he has.

Sure, if he does the same on day 2 then lynch him but I just don't think we should be lynching someone with so little information. No matter how much people say that day 1 is guesswork, you can put in a little bit of evidence for most people but with Afro the only reason for voting him at the moment is that he isn't posting

[Tommy Caton's Hairstylist]

but why should he get a free ride into the latter stages of the game ?? It makes no sence and if he's town it makes the town's job harder if there is one who is not voting for the mafia, plus the mafia do not need to kill him till later on taking out more important townies.

If he has a boring role as you suggest then better to lose a normal role if he is a townie that a power role. I can't see any reason to keep him playing. I'm happy to wear the brunt of it the next day if he is town but at this point he's not helping the town cause anyway.

[stevenryals]

if he is a townie that a power role. I can't see any reason to keep him playing. I'm happy to wear the brunt of it the next day

Did you mean to say that!!  That's extremely sus TCH..   if he has a power role we need him..

Afroboy isn't the way to go peeps..  it's Laser and Yorkshireblue I believe..

[hippo]

Did you mean to say that!!  That's extremely sus TCH..   if he has a power role we need him..

Oh, that's some blatant twisting of what he actually said. He said it was better to lynch a normal townie than risk losing a power townie. I don't agree with the logic - it's better to go for someone who, in my head, at least has a good chance of being evil, rather than someone i think's probably just town and nothing else. But, he didn't say what you said he did.

[Sir Villain]

Steven, this looks very suspiscious.
I have called you on this before and was ignored, but now it is so blatantly in front of people they cannot ignore it.

Steven said there was only two reasons to defend someone: being Mafia or Masons. He used that to accuse me of being mafia pages ago, but since then people like Miasg etc have been defended other players without much mention from Steven.

He is flinging shit around and hoping it sticks on someone. Not sure he is our most likely mafia today, but has to be looked at soon. YB has come out strong against Steven which is something we have to think about as well?!

We have to look at who is our most realistic lynch today. Mikeblue has slipped into the background, and let the non-posters debate take the brunt of the attention. It's clear that votes arent going to flush out Afroboy so Unvote. See below for another reason I'm unvoting.

This has been a tough day but I am hopefull we can make the right choice without need for a deadline, but we need everyone to start chipping in.

The Aussie Three have all come out defending each other which could mean anything, but I think Trick Pony our best lynch. If he turns up mafia, then we potentially learn alot about the other aussies. His actions have scum written all over them, and unless he gives me anything to suggest otherwise I think he is our most likely mafiaosa. Feel free to disagree, TP 

Vote:Trick Pony

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Steve Van Halen has said he is up for being a replacement, Hammerbro so perhaps you could replace Afroboy with him if Afro can't find time for the game?

Happy Axeman needs to show up as well