Mafia 15 - 24 - GAME OVER - TOWN WIN

[wesmancity]

unvote wes

because as it stands, TP could just come on and win the game, if wes is telling the truth. Argh.. this game's so confusing sometimes.

Not saying i believe you 100%, but i want a bit of time to think. Maybe i've overthought myself with all that TP stuff, but i'm doubting myself now.

If i was thinking about who'd be in the game at the start, i'd say:

Bauer - guaranteed
Palmer - guaranteed
Dessler - probably
Kim - probably

The fake's one of the two probably's. I just don't know which.

Either of you got anything to add that'll make me believe you?

all i can tell you is that i am deff Kim Bauer who i know is a deff caracter and deff would be in this game. It would be to risky for me to say i am her as she's jacks daughter and a big caracter in the series. Hippo also why would i challange you all at the start of the day, if i was mafia surely i wouldnt do that. If you say who you are and Misag says who he is then it has to be TP im 100% positive on that.

[MIASG]

but I believe someones been  saving me and that includes last night or themselves last night .. and it's not me .. and neither one of you .. therefore TP is definatley town .. if one of you goes and proves to be town then TP can save me at night - fall on his sword and I'll kill the remaining person and town win .. what's hard to see about that    If we win then even poor TCH who I killed on night 1 and Steven will be winners ...

Wes is after the last remaining way to get to me ..

Hippo your confused as I am due to the fact everyone remaining has plausable characters .. that's why i killed MZ ..

I know TP is down at Surfers for a while with Indy so I just hope he gets access to the net or this will be stalemate for 2 weeks .. doesn't matter if you change your vote hippo because I won't .. draw at best.

 

[wesmancity]

Am i right in saying Dessler is not a doctor in the series? so why is she a docter in this? that to me makes no sence.

[wesmancity]

Why also has TP not been on surly he knows that this day started.

[hippo]

but I believe someones been  saving me and that includes last night or themselves last night ..

Hang on.. what?

- I saved you the first time there was no kill. Trick Pony might have too, but that'd be irrelevant.
- Then the only other night you'd be able to think you'd been protected (no kill), you think they might have protected themselves and not you? How does that work then?

Unless you know this has happened obviously, in which case obviously i'll vote for wes because that makes him 100% mafia, although it seems a bit harsh on him to work it out like this?

[wesmancity]

Im not Mafia i am a townie with no powers.

Now this is the confusing part -

Misag - says hes Jack
Hippo - says hes Palmer
Trip Pony - says hes Dessler
Me - Kim

I would like to think that Jack Bauer would deff be in this game and im sure Misag is Jack so for me you are a safe bet.
     So that leaves Me, Hippo and Trick Pony. Now i am 100% town.
     So that leaves Hippo and Trick Pony.

Hippo and Trick Pony, the reason im going for Trick Pony is that Hippo role claimed very early (was it a clever move) the end of the game will give us the answer. Trick Pony on the other hand said he was the doc and saved people, but who? and like i said before Dessler was not a doc of any sort in the series? does that matter in the mafia games?.

[i2i Killer 89]

Vote count
1 – Trick Pony (Wesmancity)
1 – Wes (MiasG)

It will take 3 votes to get a lynch

[MIASG]

Hang on.. what?

- I saved you the first time there was no kill. Trick Pony might have too, but that'd be irrelevant.
- Then the only other night you'd be able to think you'd been protected (no kill), you think they might have protected themselves and not you? How does that work then?

Unless you know this has happened obviously, in which case obviously i'll vote for wes because that makes him 100% mafia, although it seems a bit harsh on him to work it out like this?

I'm not saying you didn't save me or your town .. I'm saying that with what was left how did I keep surviving?  TP role claimed doctor yesterday so I assume since he outed himself he probably saved himself .. logical thought .. Wes thre is no "doctor" in the series .. also they are all cops on the town side except you and the pres .. yet they all weren't "cops".   Mike was taken out because  he could identify people but was I kept alive because I kept killing townies?  doubt it .. I would and still would be the most obvious target becuase A) jack is town and B) he can kill. 

Wes I've stated a few times that TP is down the Gold Coast watching indy .. he's aware that the game is back on but says he can't find internet access yet .. which I think is shit and lazy because it's the gold coast.  I informed him he was still alive and he should resume playing .. also told him who had died and people had already started voting - that's all.

Wes you seem 100% cert it is TP and not hippo .. a fact your stuck on and trying everyting to get him voted for .. as I said I believe someone or some people have protected me .. last night the 2 people up for town killings should have been the 2 that role claimed with the most powers - doc and vigilante .. both survived.  Can only assume since I was responsible for MZ and he was no threat to the mafia that if TP is the doc he's saved himself or me ..  so I'm more inclined (and it still pains me to say) to vote either of you and not TP.  That's the logic of how I see it right now.  To me it's either one of you now non powerful townies.

Wes and Hippo if TP is not town doc can you explain why I'm still alive this far in ? 

[wesmancity]

But didn’t Hippo protect you earlier on in the game? If he did then what means in your eyes it has to be me doesn’t it?

But I am Defiantly 1oo% Town, so in my eyes as you are Jack, Hippo and TP one of them is mafia and as hippo role clamed last TP is my number one suspect.

[wesmancity]

But I am Defiantly 1oo% Town, so in my eyes as you are Jack, Hippo and TP one of them is mafia and as hippo role clamed last TP is my number one suspect.

Sorry i meant to say TP role claimed last

[hippo]

Wes and Hippo if TP is not town doc can you explain why I'm still alive this far in ? 

Like i've said already, i think he probably is, and Wes is the mafia member.

BUT, you can only have been targeted twice in the entire game, at the very most. That's fact. Because we know there's only the mafia and you who can kill. Every other night, the 2 kills have happened, so obviously you weren't targeted. So you didn't "keep surviving", it's happened twice. I protected you the first time, so you'd have survived til last night at least without a doctor in the game. If TP is the last mafia member, choosing not to kill last night would win him the game, because it makes it appear as if there must be a doctor. Like you're assuming now.

Like i said earlier, a permanent protection role was killed on night one in 'the bodyguard'. I've got a non-permanent protection role. This seems to fit with the structure of the game, seeing as there was a cop and a back up. There might be two permanent protection roles and a one off yes, there probably is, but like i'm saying, don't just assume he's telling the truth. If it's not wes and TP has managed to manipulate this for a mafia victory, then you're gonna have him chirping about it to you for all eternity.

As i say, he probably is the doctor. But i swear on absolutely everything that i'm the president. So if wes isn't the mafia member, and you kill me, then you'll have made a mistake. But i'm pretty convinced wes IS the mafia. 100% i'm not.

Maybe i'm thinking too much, but the more i think about it, seems unlikely there'd be two permanent protection roles, when you look at the way the game's set up. I'm probably playing in to Wes' hands, but he might have a point.

Don't get too excited though, wes. I'm still leaning towards voting for you. I'm just being a bit more cautious with it, because it's quite an important day.

[MIASG]

sure hippo but answer me this  .. who saved a townie (assuming me or doc) last night ? we came back early so all the night actions were done ..

If we vote TP we are playing into wes or your hands
If we vote Wes we are playing into TP or your hands
If we vote you we are playing into TP or Wes' hands

as it stands we all killed YB .. all but 1 townie .. we took a punt got it wrong .. last 4 kills have been town

the only bad guys are ..
Sir Hammer: Nina Myers - Mafia henchman - Lynched on day 2
Happy Axeman: Cheng Zhi – Neutral survivor – Shot through head on night 2
Bluestars: Philip Bauer – Mafia henchman – Lynched on day 3

with hammerbro as cult leader who obviously hit a mafia member in HA.  so we have a godfather and 3 henchmen .. there isn't 2 cells other wise they wouldn't be henchmen. 

hippo I'd like to point back to your post of yesterday ..

Haha, quality. Two nights where the mafia have failed to kill? Leaving their remaining member completely with nowhere to go, other than to try and miraculously lynch the vig or doctor..

Right on cue.

Nothing in that post really makes sense. TP gave a name, and the fact that the mafia failed to kill twice surely makes it pretty blatant that there's a doctor? Unless they've chosen not to kill to mess with people, but why would they do that now? Wouldn't make alot of sense.

MIASG has practically announced who he's going to kill each night and they've died, so he obviously has killing powers. This a 24 themed game, so it's going to have Jack Bauer in it, and he's pretty certain to be good. Alright he's got some things wrong, but i've agreed with all of them to be honest. They all looked dodgy. Unless he's a serial killer, in a pretty major twist, he must be a townie as well.

Surely i would have been the easiest target if you'd actually planned this out? Because although i'm the second main character in the show, i hadn't actually claimed a power role or anything, that has seemingly indisputable evidence to back it up. I could protect someone once in the game, using my secret services. Used it on MIASG, night two. Didn't bother the first time because i assumed we'd have a more permanent protection person who'd obviously choose him to protect after his claim. Then on night one, Laserblue the bodyguard died, and i figured this was probably that protection role, so chose to use it.

Game over now i reckon.

vote wesmancity

The only way you're possibly not the last member of the mafia in my mind, is if Trick Pony has deliberately not killed anyone last night in order to make it look like there actually is a doctor or something. And if he's done that, well, he deserves to win really.

  so you know there is a doctor but now your not so sure ?   what's happened?  as I said I believe there is a doctor ... and so do both of you.  One of you or Wes is the last mafia .. and I'll get you today or tonight and Jack will live on for another series of 24   

[Trick Pony]

Wes it doesn't matter if you are mafioso or not  as i said i am the doctor and i will save miasg tonight.

If you are mafia then game over  if not maisg kills Hippo at night an he's dead and we win and all your or hippos mafia buddies are dead 



 vote Wes 

[i2i Killer 89]

Vote count
1 – Trick Pony (Wesmancity)
1 – Wes (MiasG)

It will take 3 votes to get a lynch

[hippo]

hippo I'd like to point back to your post of yesterday ..  so you know there is a doctor but now your not so sure ?   what's happened?  as I said I believe there is a doctor ... and so do both of you.  One of you or Wes is the last mafia .. and I'll get you today or tonight and Jack will live on for another series of 24   

Read the end of the post you quoted, and you'll get your answer.

sure hippo but answer me this  .. who saved a townie (assuming me or doc) last night ? we came back early so all the night actions were done ..

So you think if TP sent Currie a message saying "i'm killing no one tonight, i've got a plan to make me look like the doctor", we'd wait until the deadline? Why would we?

Like i said, we have: a vig, a cop, a back up cop, a bodyguard, one off protection, 2 masons. Add to that Trick Pony's role and that'd be EIGHT power roles, and THREE protection roles. TWO permanent. We didn't have two permanent cops, we had one and a back up. I'm not sure we have two permanent protectors, i think it makes more sense to have one and a back up. Don't you?

[wesmancity]

am I allowed to post what my character is, as i got told? this is my last chance as you don’t believe me. But I am not Mafia I am Kim Bauer

[wesmancity]

Vote count
1 – Trick Pony (Wesmancity)
1 – Wes (MiasG)

It will take 3 votes to get a lynch

not that i want to get lyinched but hasnt hippo voted for me aswel?

[i2i Killer 89]

not that i want to get lyinched but hasnt hippo voted for me aswel?

He unvoted you at the bottom of the last page

[wesmancity]

He unvoted you at the bottom of the last page

ok what about Misag

[MIASG]

TP's voted for WES that 2 .. me and him ..

Hippo I think TP's shown his true colours in this game and the previous one's .. there's no way he'd vote no kill becuase he's all about the action .. he doesn't usually give a toss and he's not that strategical.

All your really showing to me is that your not wanting to get to the night phase.  If he's played us then yes he deserves the win .. but we know he's not that smart .. he's been mason on games and gone off .. he's been town with powers before and killed himself .. he doesn't give a toss about strategy !!!

I won't change my mind so you can sit here all day and argue at worst it'll be 2-2 draw .. even in the night phase if you take out TP who if he has any brains will save me I'll vote no kill so there's 2 town left in the morning ... Town will win this game .. just vote for WES so we can get on with the next game .. Wes it does't matter if your town or not .. same thing applies to you.  THIS GAME IS DONE BABY.