Mafia 15 - 24 - GAME OVER - TOWN WIN

[MASTERZULU]

just a quick post to check in and to tell you guys I'm going on holiday tomorrow for the week, but I will have my iPhone with me so providing I can get a signal by the coast I'll still be playing.

As for those of you who keep saying I'm mafia without giving any reason at all you make yourselves stand out like a sore thumb in my eyes. If you read back hammer said that his cell tried to take me out but a town body guard took the bullet for me.

[Trick Pony]

very much deffending your leader TP, you are next to go son, Axean picked up on you not voting on day two.

Vote: Trick Pony

dont trust, Hippo, Zulu and Yorkshire

what a weak point to vote on wes... I logged on after one night and there were 3 pages to read, I had just started to read through and post comments on them when happy locked the thread so I didnt get the chance to catch up before the lynch... eitherway your vote doesnt bother me as i have nothing to hide... do you ?

[MIASG]

The fact that i've claimed a main character, with nobody contesting it? The fact that i've been investigated and proven innocent?

- claims pres

As for those of you who keep saying I'm mafia without giving any reason at all you make yourselves stand out like a sore thumb in my eyes. If you read back hammer said that his cell tried to take me out but a town body guard took the bullet for me.

so your really saying your pres too ..  now mz potentially away not good .. MZ can you confirm your claim as pres?

I don't know about anyone else but I took out Happy .. claiming a known character that's the enemy ?  not smart .. guess he had no real powers anyway. 

also I'm moving house in 2 days and will be without internet for a day or 2 but I'm only missing 1 day of work so I should still be around apart from that 24 hrs (no pun intended)..

YB you keep apearing early then disapearing ..

Bluestars was nonexistant day 2 ...

I've said I'm pretty sure TP is town yet people are still attacking him .. Wes your attacking a target from a mafia/cult member with not much else to go on ...

I'm not targeting anyone specific yet until I hear from mikeblue ..

what's interesting is that it was Nina Myers and not me or the pres that was shot on night one.

[Trick Pony]

MIASG has claimed to have killed Happy Axeman during the night, and there were no other night kills so that means that either the town roleblocker's or doctor's worked over time during the night to help save the town. 

I dont think there are two mafia cells unless we had a roleblock and a save which seems unlikley.. possible but unlikley..

Id say that mafia targeted MIASG and he was saved

or

Mafia targeted MIASG and he was saved and our roleblocker blocked the other mafia cells action...

Any thoughts ?

[hippo]

so your really saying your pres too ..  now mz potentially away not good .. MZ can you confirm your claim as pres?

Bodyguard's a game role, where you pick someone to protect each night. If that person gets fired at, then you take the bullet for them. Rather than being associated to the president. Do you not think he'd be voting for me or saying something if i'd stolen his character?

If you read back hammer said that his cell tried to take me out but a town body guard took the bullet for me.

Hammer said that yes, but he also lied about a lot of things. In order for that to have actually happened, not only would the mafia have had to target you, but laser blue would also have had to have chosen you to protect. Seems kind of unlikely, given that MIASG had revealed he was Jack Bauer on day one. Using something that's obviously false as a defense makes me somewhat suspicious of you.

MIASG has claimed to have killed Happy Axeman during the night, and there were no other night kills so that means that either the town roleblocker's or doctor's worked over time during the night to help save the town. 

I dont think there are two mafia cells unless we had a roleblock and a save which seems unlikley.. possible but unlikley..

Id say that mafia targeted MIASG and he was saved

or

Mafia targeted MIASG and he was saved and our roleblocker blocked the other mafia cells action...

Any thoughts ?

MIASG or Mikeblue seem the most likely targets yes. And there'd have to be a doctor, roleblocker, or bulletproof townie to explain the lack of a mafia kill. Probably worth a reveal if it was a roleblocker - if they say who they blocked, we'll know who the godfather is. Obviously then we don't kill the godfather, keep them alive, so that the mafia lose their power to kill at night, and process of elimination should see us find the other mafia member/s soon enough. Then the godfather can go, and we'll have won the game. Simple.

[hippo]

Just to stress, it's only worth a reveal if it was roleblocker. Under no circumstances should a doctor do it.

[bluestarsneyes]

actually it's still the weekend here and I have kids, laundry, inlaws and all kinds of real life going on....only caught a glimpse of what happened in the night...I am waiting to hear what mikeblue found out in the night. I will check out everything tomorrow when I am at work.

[Trick Pony]

MIASG or Mikeblue seem the most likely targets yes. And there'd have to be a doctor, roleblocker, or bulletproof townie to explain the lack of a mafia kill. Probably worth a reveal if it was a roleblocker - if they say who they blocked, we'll know who the godfather is. Obviously then we don't kill the godfather, keep them alive, so that the mafia lose their power to kill at night, and process of elimination should see us find the other mafia member/s soon enough. Then the godfather can go, and we'll have won the game. Simple.

keeping the godfather alive seems ok as long as there is a roleblocker though we would need to know for certain.

So Mikeblue what did you find out during the night phase ?

[MASTERZULU]

@ MIASG, I never claimed to be the president or even mentioned him at all. I was just reiterating what hammer said about the mafia trying to take me out and the town bodyguard taking the hit instead.

Right at this moment in time I'm just a regular townie with no powers.

[MASTERZULU]

@ hippo, (sorry can't quote post. No cut and paste on iPhone) I wasn't aware that's how the body guard role worked to what hammer said looked plausable to me.

[hippo]

keeping the godfather alive seems ok as long as there is a roleblocker though we would need to know for certain.

So Mikeblue what did you find out during the night phase ?

Well yeah. I was saying that if the scenario of a roleblocker stopping the mafia had happened last night, then it'd be worth a claim by the person who blocked them, because they can just keep doing that, stopping the mafia doing anything, until we find the other/s. I'm guessing there'd only be 3 of them, due to there being a cult as well, and only 15 players. 4 would be the absolute maximum. I'm not saying we should just take a guess between us, it's only if we know for certain.

Right at this moment in time I'm just a regular townie with no powers.

So at a different moment in time, you're not?

[MASTERZULU]

Well yeah. I was saying that if the scenario of a roleblocker stopping the mafia had happened last night, then it'd be worth a claim by the person who blocked them, because they can just keep doing that, stopping the mafia doing anything, until we find the other/s. I'm guessing there'd only be 3 of them, due to there being a cult as well, and only 15 players. 4 would be the absolute maximum. I'm not saying we should just take a guess between us, it's only if we know for certain.

So at a different moment in time, you're not?

Well that all depends on the well being of my fellow townies.

[bluestarsneyes]

Very interesting.....few really confusing things for me at this time...but just have only a few minutes to come on and address a few things...first off Miasg I wasn't nonexistent I was here and posting...but was letting the Axeman/Hammer/Mikeblue fiasco work itself out because the more they all posted the more information was coming out and I was trying to figure out which one I believed. I was here...I did post and I did vote...the fact I didn't get in the mix was to allow the truth to come out...and in my opinion it did.

I'm still working out a few things in my mind....the two mafia cell claim by Hammer....since there was only one kill and Miasg is claiming that...what would the odds be that both were roleblocked? I'm leaning toward thinking that is not correct.

Serial killer...well I am still inclined to think there is one in the game...but at this point not as important and possibly unlikely as no kill by them either....could be that a kill would give too much information so they choose not to...but leaning toward thinking not one...but not fully convinced.

For me....mikeblue proved himself last night with the Hammer deal.....that being said...I'm inclined to hear what he has to say....very bizzare to me that he survived the night! Good for the town though that is for sure!

I am against the roleblocker claiming....because in my mind I can't think of a positive for the town in doing so.....then if we do reveal the roleblocker....then I fear that the wrong people might push to avoid blocking the person needed....I think IF we have a roleblocker or something then that person should just watch the game today and do what they do....

I am going to be out today with the kids out of school....this has been a hard time for me to stay involved..but planning a wedding....working on a new software system and so forth...I'm doing  my best to remain involved....that being said...I'll probably not make it back today...but will try to log on tomorrow or later this afternoon.

[hippo]

I am against the roleblocker claiming....because in my mind I can't think of a positive for the town in doing so.....then if we do reveal the roleblocker....then I fear that the wrong people might push to avoid blocking the person needed....I think IF we have a roleblocker or something then that person should just watch the game today and do what they do....

That doesn't make any sense. I'm only saying, if there's a roleblocker, and they blocked someone last night, because of the lack of a mafia kill, it would seem likely that they blocked the godfather. Therefore there'd be no swaying of anything. They'd simply do the same again, and it should stop the mafia doing anything again in the game. If it's not a roleblocker, then no, nothing should happen; nobody should claim. But being against what i said makes me think you don't want the group to know who the godfather is. Why might that be?

Where's mikeblue? We need his information really before we start doing anything properly.

[bluestarsneyes]

Well yeah. I was saying that if the scenario of a roleblocker stopping the mafia had happened last night, then it'd be worth a claim by the person who blocked them, because they can just keep doing that, stopping the mafia doing anything, until we find the other/s. I'm guessing there'd only be 3 of them, due to there being a cult as well, and only 15 players. 4 would be the absolute maximum. I'm not saying we should just take a guess between us, it's only if we know for certain.

So at a different moment in time, you're not?

Headed out of work for the day...but wanted to clarify what I stated...

Here is why the confusion started for me is in the statement above it sounds as though you were stating that the roleblocker should claim....and my opinion is that someone with a powerful role for town shouldn't claim...unless it is absolutely necessary.

The way I see it....we don't know if there is a roleblocker...if there is....one we still don't know if he was sucessful...IF...as suming that there is one...and they blocked someone and now know something...then they shouldn't feel pressure to come out and claim THEIR role at this point....unless they just want to...but for me it gives the mafia an easy target....I would rather see how the day progresses...if the lynch voting today is different than what the roleblocker knows...then offer information...but to simply offer it at this stage seemed to me...well pointless...it only serves to get killed...but maybe I'm missing something....

Where is mikeblue...I agree like I said before...not voting til I hear what he has to say.

[hippo]

but maybe I'm missing something....

You are.

If someone has blocked the mafia, it doesn't matter whether they're a target or not, they simply won't be able to kill them. Because they'll be blocked all the time. And obviously, knowing who the godfather is would be a massive advantage to the town.

But we don't even know that that's what happened, so let's not get stuck in a rut talking about. It was just a suggestion.

Mike, hurry up. Everyone's getting bored.

[MIASG]

....this has been a hard time for me to stay involved..but planning a wedding....

Steven step up will ya and give your woman more time to play

[MIASG]

if there is a serial killer they would have targeted me or mikeblue ..
if there is 2 mafia cells they would have targeted me or mikeblue ..

we know there is a doctor  ...

we don't know if there is a role blocker still alive ...

it's possible that any remaining non-townies targeted the same person and was stopped.

I still want to know why Nina Meyers was shot in the arm and survived. 

MasterZulu I'm really starting to think that Hammer's claim that they targeted you  was to confuse and mix it up .. now was he was trying to lead us to or away from you?? Right now seeing how noob you are I doubt they'd target you this early.

YorkshireBlue deadset why not modkill yourself you just ain't playing .. claiming you have a life is crap - we all do .. and we signed up on the condition that we would try to play ..

Afroboy .. I thought your laptop was fixed?  I still think you are most evil looking player left .. VOTE AFROBOY ..

[Trick Pony]

That doesn't make any sense. I'm only saying, if there's a roleblocker, and they blocked someone last night, because of the lack of a mafia kill, it would seem likely that they blocked the godfather. Therefore there'd be no swaying of anything. They'd simply do the same again, and it should stop the mafia doing anything again in the game. If it's not a roleblocker, then no, nothing should happen; nobody should claim. But being against what i said makes me think you don't want the group to know who the godfather is. Why might that be?

Where's mikeblue? We need his information really before we start doing anything properly.

yeah thats pretty sus bluestars... quite surprised coming from you. Mike where are you ?

[Trick Pony]

if there is a serial killer they would have targeted me or mikeblue ..
if there is 2 mafia cells they would have targeted me or mikeblue ..

we know there is a doctor  ...

we don't know if there is a role blocker still alive ...

it's possible that any remaining non-townies targeted the same person and was stopped.

I still want to know why Nina Meyers was shot in the arm and survived. 

MasterZulu I'm really starting to think that Hammer's claim that they targeted you  was to confuse and mix it up .. now was he was trying to lead us to or away from you?? Right now seeing how noob you are I doubt they'd target you this early.

YorkshireBlue deadset why not modkill yourself you just ain't playing .. claiming you have a life is crap - we all do .. and we signed up on the condition that we would try to play ..

Afroboy .. I thought your laptop was fixed?  I still think you are most evil looking player left .. VOTE AFROBOY ..

I think Afro is sus as well but VOTE : YorkshireBlue as hes simply not playing any more. The odds are hes mafia or cult member anyway. if hes not here now i cant see him being around to save the town when its needed.