Mafia 15 - 24 - GAME OVER - TOWN WIN

[wesmancity]

Am i looking to much in to hammers post here?

At least someone noticed. Steven is one of the players that the majority dont like to even challenge. In this case I think I put forward a theory that was completely ignored and makes sense with every action.

1.Miasg came out as Bauer, and after some shocking play from Yorkshire, was looking at Yorkshire at his main target.
2.Steven told Miasg to pick one townie, and the rest of the town would fall in line and lynch him.
3.Me and a few others criticised that plan, so it was dropped.
4.Miasg eventually does choose Yorkshire, but now the town is unsure so doesnt fall in line.

Who looks suspicious in this sequence? Steven knew Miasg would pick Yorkshire when he said it so to me that indicates either Steven is a cop with a Guilty on Yorkshire, or he is a mafia member who knows Yorkshire is Innocent, and spots an easy lynch which he cant be blamed for since "Jack Bauer ordered everyone to". I unvoted Steven out of frustration since until now, absolutely no one has even looked at my claims.

Perhaps him and Hippo could be part of a dangerous mafia and playing a very smart game. Hippo has not got his teeth into anyone yet like he normally does, but there has not been a single. major defining issue so maybe thats why, but I still have some doubts about the both of them.

If Yorkshire does get lynched, and turns up town, then in my mind that just puts more weight onto my suspiscions of Steven.


Also those criticising people for "being too scared" to get on the bandwagon, shut up! Not everyone thinks Yorkshire is mafia, so everyone doesnt want to be associated with a bad lynch. We have investigated too much in this day now, and we need the right result, or at least a result that puts us in good stead for tomorrow.

[hippo]

I cant see why a townie wouldnt have logged on to see the night actions

I haven't posted because i have darts on monday nights, rather than not wanting to see what had happened. I was on at about half 6, but it wasn't up then, so couldn't wait. Hammer also plays darts, Mikeblue only ever seems to post in the daytime, and that leaves Axeman, who i don't know about. But it's a ridiculous way to make a list of suspects. Surely you could say those who did post were eager to see if their kill had been successful, or if they'd survived?

I'm going to have a think about who hammerbro might have been recruiting... I'm thinking Sir hammer, Axeman, or Hippo straight up ... 

Agree with the logic, but it's not me this time. I know you can't just take my word for it, but Hammerbro voted for me on day one, and it wouldn't make much sense to try and recruit those you're suspicious of. It'd be someone who wasn't suspected. Could be Hammer, because he fits that criteria, and is obviously Hammerbro's bro, so a prime target. But, surely your own name should be on this list? I know i'd have tried to recruit the one confirmed innocent if i was Hammerbro. Maybe you can't be swayed to evil yourself, as Bauer.

I also agree that there'll be evil on the Ryals voting list. But it's a bit random to judge. Other than wes and bluestars, who said she thought it was a joke, so ignored it - why not point this out to everyone else at the time, by the way? - everyone who saw what Steve did voted. The ones who didn't vote are the ones who weren't online, so i don't think we should make them out as some sort of good based on that.

Wes, what are you actually saying in your last post?

[wesmancity]

Wes, what are you actually saying in your last post?

Steve said there was a hidden message in Hammers post which could of been a slip up. Now i bolded in my previous post what i think Steve was talking about.

[Sir Villain]

Hammer can you explain this??

then his next post read this....

What did steve mean by this?

What does he know!!

There is something not right, why would steve do this? he said it would help the town, so my option at the moment is to VOTE HAMMER

Unvote me you berk! Steve clearly got bored and just got himself killed. It didn't help the town at all and it told us nothing because everyone that looked voted him.

At least someone noticed. Steven is one of the players that the majority dont like to even challenge. In this case I think I put forward a theory that was completely ignored and makes sense with every action.

1.Miasg came out as Bauer, and after some shocking play from Yorkshire, was looking at Yorkshire at his main target.
2.Steven told Miasg to pick one townie, and the rest of the town would fall in line and lynch him.
3.Me and a few others criticised that plan, so it was dropped.
4.Miasg eventually does choose Yorkshire, but now the town is unsure so doesnt fall in line.

Who looks suspicious in this sequence? Steven knew Miasg would pick Yorkshire when he said it so to me that indicates either Steven is a cop with a Guilty on Yorkshire, or he is a mafia member who knows Yorkshire is Innocent, and spots an easy lynch which he cant be blamed for since "Jack Bauer ordered everyone to". I unvoted Steven out of frustration since until now, absolutely no one has even looked at my claims.

Perhaps him and Hippo could be part of a dangerous mafia and playing a very smart game. Hippo has not got his teeth into anyone yet like he normally does, but there has not been a single. major defining issue so maybe thats why, but I still have some doubts about the both of them.

If Yorkshire does get lynched, and turns up town, then in my mind that just puts more weight onto my suspiscions of Steven.


Also those criticising people for "being too scared" to get on the bandwagon, shut up! Not everyone thinks Yorkshire is mafia, so everyone doesnt want to be associated with a bad lynch. We have investigated too much in this day now, and we need the right result, or at least a resu
lt that puts us in good stead for tomorrow.

This is the post where Steven said he saw my "hidden message". Draw your own conclusions.

Steve said there was a hidden message in Hammers post which could of been a slip up. Now i bolded in my previous post what i think Steve was talking about.

What does that even mean?

"absolutely no one has even looked at my claims."  is the line that makes me evil in your eyes? How so?

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I find it very interesting to see who hasnt posted after the night phase... probably because they knew the result of the night   There will be a few of you who will be mafia / non town for sure... I presume at this stage that everyone who has posted at the start of day two is townie apart from Zulu at this stage...

I cant see why a townie wouldnt have logged on to see the night actions

The most obvious mafia targets are Sir Hammer / Happy Axeman because they are the most experienced from this group and would have probably known not to target MIASG during the night phase.

Absolute nonsense..

All day Monday I was in Uni, then playing darts. This is the first chance I've had to see what happened and I'm very surprised to see all the deaths. When you say that Axeman, and I are the most obvious mafia targets because we would have known not to target Miasg, that insults everyone else playing? Miasg appears to be Jack Bauer...I think everyone can work out attacking him would be a mistake.
Another poor reason to accuse me.

Once again while TP is being silly I'm sure he's town.  This is a new day kiddies .. looking at who voted off steven there are 3 def townies .. TCH, Laserblue, and me   .. and cult leader in hammerbro.  Surely you other voters must see that at least one of the remaining voters must be mafia.  My gut feeling is hammerbro tried to recruit Der Hammer .. just a gut feeling for now but I'm still going back through 30 pages.  

Everyone that saw what Steven had done had voted him except Bluestars who strangely just ignored it completely because clearly he just told her he was joking. I suspected him early in the day, so when he appeared to have made a terrorist attack I voted him, same as the others. I'm sure someone on the voters list is mafia but only because there were alot on the list. Steven pointlessly committed suicide thinking it would somehow trap the mafia, when it was just a waste of time. Tells us nothing because everyone that saw it voted him....plus "Jack" I am assuming it was you that killed TCH since you probably are a Vigilante. Hopefully you can not kill a townie tonight.
Maybe Hammerbro did try and recruit me, but since my character has a gun I could have shot him? Normally in my games I assign the Mafia, and a select few townie power roles with guns that protect them from Cult. Also my character in the series is possibility the most loyal person on the show and its unlikely he would be able to be recruited. I prepared to claim if I have to save my skin.

[Quig]

DAMN YOU ALL! CTU will never be safe.

[wesmancity]

Unvote me you berk!

Erm! No....and less of the insults it will not get you anywhere

[MIASG]

But, surely your own name should be on this list? I know i'd have tried to recruit the one confirmed innocent if i was Hammerbro. Maybe you can't be swayed to evil yourself, as Bauer.

Wes, what are you actually saying in your last post?

yeah true but if that's the case I didn't know about it .. I was thinking about that since my last post .. I would have tried to recruit me if I was cult leader - then again there was a good case that I was dead on night 1 ..  agree with your comment on Wes's last post - made no sense mate.

sorry about the name changes   I promise I'll change back soon enough

[Mikeblue]

To say I am evil because I didn't post yesterday is a bit much realy isn't it??? FOS TP for the most ridiculous conclusion ever!

Well that was not a good night phase for us was it people. Steve didn't really help us at all but at least he did get the game moving along I guess which I think was his aim.

Well I wonder if there is a serial killer as my take on it is that with a cult I doubt there is a serial killer. I would have thought the Vigilante may have killed TCH mafia took out Laserblue and Hammersbro tried to recruit mafia and died as a result.....

Will have to go back and have a look but I'm thinking at this moment that Hamersbro would most likely try and recruit his brother and Sir Hammer really went hell for leather at Steve at one stage in day one after being fairly quiet for him. He also protected YB a lot so I think we lynch Sir Hammer as I'm sure he is mafia and then go after YB if Sir Hammer does turn out to be mafia!

VOTE SIRHAMMER

[MIASG]

Maybe Hammerbro did try and recruit me, but since my character has a gun I could have shot him? Normally in my games I assign the Mafia, and a select few townie power roles with guns that protect them from Cult. Also my character in the series is possibility the most loyal person on the show and its unlikely he would be able to be recruited. I prepared to claim if I have to save my skin.

this is like my role claim without claiming .. and yes I do believe I've already said TCH was because of me.  I was tossing up between a few but his play seemed most suss .. and with steven being a town some people he believed was also townie (ie bluestars for one) saved them from my sights in the night.  I honestly believed that TCH wasn't mafia but either cult or serial killer ... which persuaded me to vote for him over someone else.

Wes did you read all of Sir Hammer's last post?  do you think that he is bluffing and actually mafia trying to convince us he's town?  this isn't the first time you've pretty much posted with what looks like no consideration of what's been posted before at all.  FOS WESMANCITY

Will have to go back and have a look but I'm thinking at this moment that Hamersbro would most likely try and recruit his brother and Sir Hammer really went hell for leather at Steve at one stage in day one after being fairly quiet for him. He also protected YB a lot so I think we lynch Sir Hammer as I'm sure he is mafia and then go after YB if Sir Hammer does turn out to be mafia!

VOTE SIRHAMMER

same here - no consideration to what hammer has said .. FOS Mikeblue

[Mikeblue]

this is like my role claim without claiming .. and yes I do believe I've already said TCH was because of me.  I was tossing up between a few but his play seemed most suss .. and with steven being a town some people he believed was also townie (ie bluestars for one) saved them from my sights in the night.  I honestly believed that TCH wasn't mafia but either cult or serial killer ... which persuaded me to vote for him over someone else.

Wes did you read all of Sir Hammer's last post?  do you think that he is bluffing and actually mafia trying to convince us he's town?  this isn't the first time you've pretty much posted with what looks like no consideration of what's been posted before at all.  FOS WESMANCITY
 same here - no consideration to what hammer has said .. FOS Mikeblue

I read what he posted and it stunk to me!!! I am SURE he is mafia he was trying to bluff us and scare us into not going after him!

[MIASG]

that's fine but I would prefer you come out and say that rather than what looks like a skim. 

so mikeblue is "SURE" and hammer is ready to roll claim and has stated he has a gun ... interesting development.

[Mikeblue]

that's fine but I would prefer you come out and say that rather than what looks like a skim. 

so mikeblue is "SURE" and hammer is ready to roll claim and has stated he has a gun ... interesting development.

Trust me he isn't ready to role claim!

[hippo]

Hammer's claim does looks dodgy. I don't remember any role other than mafia or serial killer, that would be protected from a cult recruitment attempt - may be wrong. Like i said earlier, i'm not sure you actually were recruited because having Bauer revealed and protected probably every night and unlynchable, seems like too good an opportunity for a cult to miss, even if it was your brother. But you're going to have to be more explicit with your claim, because if anything, it's actually made me more suspicious of you, rather than less.

And to the artist formerly known as MIASG, you wouldn't know that there had been an attempted recruit on you (i didn't last game), or that you were immune from it (because if currie told you this, it'd be extremely obvious there was one). But i dunno, if it wasn't you, i'd say it was Hammer, but i can't believe anyone wouldn't pick you.

[Sir Villain]

To say I am evil because I didn't post yesterday is a bit much realy isn't it??? FOS TP for the most ridiculous conclusion ever!

Well that was not a good night phase for us was it people. Steve didn't really help us at all but at least he did get the game moving along I guess which I think was his aim.

Well I wonder if there is a serial killer as my take on it is that with a cult I doubt there is a serial killer. I would have thought the Vigilante may have killed TCH mafia took out Laserblue and Hammersbro tried to recruit mafia and died as a result.....

Will have to go back and have a look but I'm thinking at this moment that Hamersbro would most likely try and recruit his brother and Sir Hammer really went hell for leather at Steve at one stage in day one after being fairly quiet for him. He also protected YB a lot so I think we lynch Sir Hammer as I'm sure he is mafia and then go after YB if Sir Hammer does turn out to be mafia!

VOTE SIRHAMMER

Fair enough if someone actually had some proper opinions on why I'm mafia, but I'm going to have to ask you to explain yourself.

I posted several times in Day One with some thoughts on why Steven would suggest that we just lynch whoever Miasg picked. Steven ducked my criticism, and then decided to comment suicide in a stupid and pointless fashion. I was never fairly quiet for him, and he turned out townie which obviously reflected badly on me, but still doesn't change he acted very suspiciously.

As for protecting YB. Quote where I did? At least if your gonna form a bandwagon on me, go back and retrieve your "evidence". A few times I expressly worry about the bandwagon that was forming on Yorkshire, but never actually said that he didn't look suspicious to me. I've looked back at all my posts and cant find one proper defence of Yorkshire. All I suggested is that Steven might have been trying to get him lynched.

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Trust me he isn't ready to role claim!

So your now pretty much saying your a cop with guilty on me? Your definitely making a mistake because your either lying or paranoid cop like in the last game? I have a role that I can prove my innocence in the night phase.
Trust me, I am ready to claim if people actually start believing you.

If we take a look at the kills...

Hammerbro - Probably died trying to recruit someone tha couldn't be recruited. I.E Mafia or Bauer
Laserblue - Killed by either Mafia or Serial Killer (highly unlikely we have another Town that can kill)
TCH-Killed by Bauer.
Unknown person shot in arm - Blatantly an attack on Miasg I think.

So clearly we have two kill attempts unexplained which we assume Mafia did one, and an SK did the other?

Well I wonder if there is a serial killer as my take on it is that with a cult I doubt there is a serial killer. I would have thought the Vigilante may have killed TCH mafia took out Laserblue and Hammersbro tried to recruit mafia and died as a result.....

Conviently doesn't mention at all the attack on the guy hit in the arm.

A few hours pass in which time it has been manic at CTU with all the recent activity. With so much going on people are coming in and out thick and fast and it takes people a little while to realise that certain people have gone missing. Surprisingly at almost exactly the same time 3 different CTU operatives stumble across the bodies of 3 different people in different areas of the building. Somebody also turns up at CTU medical with a gunshot wound to his arm. He says that he was shot whilst on a mission that night.

I think Mike might be trying to cover up the fact that theres a serial killer. Trying to hard to suggest that there isn't one to me suggests that he might be the SK himself.

Vote:Mikeblue


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Erm! No....and less of the insults it will not get you anywhere

Sorry didn't mean to offend. I retract the Berk comment

[Sir Villain]

Vote:Mikeblue

Will respond to Hippo's post later. Have to dash out now.

DONT LYNCH ME BEFORE I GET CHANCE TO CLAIM.

I'm town, and I'm sure Mikeblue the SK is trying to stitch me up.

[MIASG]

And to the artist formerly known as MIASG, you wouldn't know that there had been an attempted recruit on you (i didn't last game), or that you were immune from it (because if currie told you this, it'd be extremely obvious there was one). But i dunno, if it wasn't you, i'd say it was Hammer, but i can't believe anyone wouldn't pick you.

yeah I know Hippo I was saying I didn't know and that I agree it cold have been me.  I was told last game that basically I could recruit whoever except mafia godfather ..  that's why I was thinking it was someone else.


Must say I've believeing hammer more than mikeblue (and wes)  .. mike are you willing to role claim? not that I'm saying to do that - yet ..

[Mikeblue]

Vote:Mikeblue

Will respond to Hippo's post later. Have to dash out now.

DONT LYNCH ME BEFORE I GET CHANCE TO CLAIM.

I'm town, and I'm sure Mikeblue the SK is trying to stitch me up.

So from saying Zilch about me I am now getting your vote and am the serial killer???

Really lol.

I await your so called claim .....

[Mikeblue]

yeah I know Hippo I was saying I didn't know and that I agree it cold have been me.  I was told last game that basically I could recruit whoever except mafia godfather ..  that's why I was thinking it was someone else.


Must say I've believeing hammer more than mikeblue (and wes)  .. mike are you willing to role claim? not that I'm saying to do that - yet ..

Are you wise??? Read what I have wrote!!!

If I am wrong then lynch me the next day.

Can you not see what is infront of your eyes? If I was mafia would I be saying what I'm saying?

Some people can't see a frog until it jumps up and kicks them in the face???

What is there to believe that Sir Hammer has said??? That I am the serial killer??? Behave.

[Sir Villain]

I am the serial killer

Case closed....

[MIASG]

are you denying/confirming you are cop Mikeblue?  I get the feeling a few claims will be made today that will throw the game wide open.  Hammer is hinting he's someone like Almeda.  Giving names out to this isn't outing him either - he's claimed a loyal townie role with a gun and hinted it was a he.    Mikeblue is hinting he's a cop.   what other role could a townie have with a gun other than cop or vigilante?  

Are you wise???

no as I killed a townie in the night phase thinking he was evil as

Read what I have wrote!!!
If I am wrong then lynch me the next day.
Can you not see what is infront of your eyes? If I was mafia would I be saying what I'm saying?
Some people can't see a frog until it jumps up and kicks them in the face???
What is there to believe that Sir Hammer has said??? That I am the serial killer??? Behave.

what I'm saying he is making him believe him more than your making me believe.  I think he needs to confirm his claim now .. all your saying is believe you.  not much else.  what else do I and others have to go on?