Mafia 15 - 24 - GAME OVER - TOWN WIN

[stevenryals]

Yes it was, it was after a multi-day party, he would post anything without inhibitions at that point..

[laserblue]

I was against this earlier but I think we have a enough info now to assist us on day 2 and I'm ready to take a stand and try to lead us forward .. I implore all townies to vote for YorkshireBlue - take the risk - and hope like hell I'm right and then work on his buddies on day 2.  Worst case scenario is we lose town who isn't on and helping and i'm again suspected .. but unless I die tonight I'm 100% certain Jack Bauer will not be dead tonight so there is no reason not to believe me.

If you are Jack I've got a feeling you are going to regret this .... I'm not jumping on this bandwagon ... because it will be full of evil scumm

[bluestarsneyes]

I completely disagree SirHammer....how can Hammersbro get a "pass" as a bored player and yet YB doesn't and let's get real...I think he's actually posted more! Which is not to say it has any logical content....but it's going out on a limb more than Hammersbro....I agree that some players that don't participate fully can be made out to be either town or mafia...but I'm sorry absolutely have even more suspicions of him than YB...who is always impossible to follow to some degree as that is his play....he'll say something completely inflammatory do a rash vote and then leave....I've been the subject of it in other games. I am not saying I know he's town or mafia...but to give Hammersbro a "pass" as townie is well suspect because he's earned no more confidence if you ask me than YB or even Masterzulu.

sorry...still reading but that just stuck out to me.

[bluestarsneyes]

I have yet to vote...I had wes and then unvoted to see his response....I do find him odd...but he's been odd last few games and is always quite aggressive....as far as a player though I think that it is hard for me to argue against on day one which is most cases is a sheer guess for me to simply vote for a player because he's actively questioning....he's active and in the game and something about that leans me in most cases to want to keep them around because if they are mafia well...the truth will come to light...and if a townie they are doing their job and helping the town...and those that aren't active well....seem entirely easily mafia.

VOTE MASTERZULU....I'm thinking it is possible that you are first time mafia and that could explain your reluctance to post any truly active information in this game. Hammersbro, yorkshireblue and Afroboy were close seconds in my mind, but when I look at the content....those are at least brining up points and votes and whether I agree with them or not is irrelevant at this point in the game. At some point we have to vote and have to get this game progressing. I'd yet to vote and without votes I fear this day will drag on for a lifetime!

[Trick Pony]

unvote tch vote tp .. I'm sick of that idiot now.

poor excuse u fool your still piss off from the previous game because you cant see whats right in front of you, you just look like mafia unvoting one of your own...

[Sir Villain]

I completely disagree SirHammer....how can Hammersbro get a "pass" as a bored player and yet YB doesn't and let's get real...I think he's actually posted more! Which is not to say it has any logical content....but it's going out on a limb more than Hammersbro....I agree that some players that don't participate fully can be made out to be either town or mafia...but I'm sorry absolutely have even more suspicions of him than YB...who is always impossible to follow to some degree as that is his play....he'll say something completely inflammatory do a rash vote and then leave....I've been the subject of it in other games. I am not saying I know he's town or mafia...but to give Hammersbro a "pass" as townie is well suspect because he's earned no more confidence if you ask me than YB or even Masterzulu.

sorry...still reading but that just stuck out to me.

Yeah this is based on a personal knowledge of my brother, based on anything ingame then he looks suspicious, just based on personal knowledge it doesnt seem like he is. For all means vote for him though if you think he looks dodgy, just explaining why im not so sure.

If you are Jack I've got a feeling you are going to regret this .... I'm not jumping on this bandwagon ... because it will be full of evil scum[

Damn, I was waiting to see who would happily jump on the bandwagon.



Unvote:Steven, its a no-go area clearly

[i2i Killer 89]

OK guys, sorry about this but I have been busy at work for the past couple of days (full time jobs suck eh? ) so I haven't had time to update the vote counts recently and it looks as if around 10 pages have past since I last updated it.

Tomorrow I do have a day off work though so I will definitely get it fully updated sometime tomorrow. Can't believe it's been 25 pages already. Lynch someone please

[*Afroboy*]

Afroboy

I know axeman asked a few pages ago, but you didn't answer. How do you know the people he's putting pressure on are the wrong ones? Fair enough you can speak for yourself, but you're speaking for others here as well, and telling us they're innocent. Why? How do you know?

I don’t know. It’s just my opinion that there are more suspicious looking people.

Unvote:Steven, its a no-go area clearly

What do you mean

Unvote bluestars for now, she is still looking suspicious but my vote obviously isn’t counting for much there. Like hippo said earlier there are a lot of votes spread out and it doesn’t achieve much.

TP: I still think he is mafia because as soon as he found out miasg was town he was quick to get on his side and get away from the argument so it would like he’s not evil

Mzulu: Suspicious simply because he is lurtking round… ok he has had reasons for not posting but I still think he could do more to help by asking questions of people. Also his last post was this….

FYI whoever said I was Reading and not posting. I'm at work and reading on my iPhone every time I get a couple of minutes. Trying to write any more than a few short sentances on this thing is hard work. So I will have to wait until I get home to post.

Fair enough but you haven’t been back on to post, like you said you would.

A lot of people are saying Yorkshire blue looks mafia at the moment, even though he hasn’t really defended himself, I am pretty sure he is good.

[MASTERZULU]

Similar to what I was thinking Mike, im about 80% on YB being mafia, same as TCH, im not sure on Zulu yet but his posts and reasons for voting me are garbage, just because i voted miasg when the day started doesnt mean im mafia you fool Zulu, I believe you can only see that side because thats all you want to see because your most probably mafia...

LOL I'm the one posting garbage am I? I've read nothing but from you so far, I'm standing by what I said, don't try and twist my words, I didn't vote for you becuase of your early vote for Miasg, I voted for you because of your sudden about face once presented with Miasgs roleclaim. Looks to me as if thats what a mafia would do, you went all out to try and make out he was mafia, but as soon as he flipped it on you with his role claim, you had no option but to try and side with him.

I have yet to vote...I had wes and then unvoted to see his response....I do find him odd...but he's been odd last few games and is always quite aggressive....as far as a player though I think that it is hard for me to argue against on day one which is most cases is a sheer guess for me to simply vote for a player because he's actively questioning....he's active and in the game and something about that leans me in most cases to want to keep them around because if they are mafia well...the truth will come to light...and if a townie they are doing their job and helping the town...and those that aren't active well....seem entirely easily mafia.

VOTE MASTERZULU....I'm thinking it is possible that you are first time mafia and that could explain your reluctance to post any truly active information in this game. Hammersbro, yorkshireblue and Afroboy were close seconds in my mind, but when I look at the content....those are at least brining up points and votes and whether I agree with them or not is irrelevant at this point in the game. At some point we have to vote and have to get this game progressing. I'd yet to vote and without votes I fear this day will drag on for a lifetime!

If voting for me was supposed to envoke a reaction, congrats you succeeded, if it wasn't and you truly think I may be mafia then I'd like to know how you can substantiate this aside from my lack of posting, on that subject I've been trying to keep on top of reading all the posts but I'm finding it very difficult to play this game at the same level the rest of you are.
I can totally see how it may look and heck you may want to get rid of me as I've hardly been a productive member of the town but all you are going to do is weaken the towns position in this game for the wrong reason.

[MASTERZULU]

I don’t know. It’s just my opinion that there are more suspicious looking people.
What do you mean

Unvote bluestars for now, she is still looking suspicious but my vote obviously isn’t counting for much there. Like hippo said earlier there are a lot of votes spread out and it doesn’t achieve much.

TP: I still think he is mafia because as soon as he found out miasg was town he was quick to get on his side and get away from the argument so it would like he’s not evil

Mzulu: Suspicious simply because he is lurtking round… ok he has had reasons for not posting but I still think he could do more to help by asking questions of people. Also his last post was this….Fair enough but you haven’t been back on to post, like you said you would.

A lot of people are saying Yorkshire blue looks mafia at the moment, even though he hasn’t really defended himself, I am pretty sure he is good.

hehe I was posting just as you wrote that, as for lurking, I've been reading over the posts quite a bit whilst I've been at work, but apart from TP i'm struggling to find anything suspicious, heck you may as well just pull a number out of a hat.

I did say I would post that night but life once again got in the way, sorry about that.

[MIASG]

That last paragraph is double edged, if i do vote for Yorkshire your say it's because you wrote this so just bandwaggoning and if i don't your say i'm evil.

If you are Jack I've got a feeling you are going to regret this .... I'm not jumping on this bandwagon ... because it will be full of evil scumm

Damn, I was waiting to see who would happily jump on the bandwagon.

A lot of people are saying Yorkshire blue looks mafia at the moment, even though he hasn’t really defended himself, I am pretty sure he is good.

@laserblue - why would I regret it ... and if he's mafia there will be a few of you jumping on .. the whole point in to move forward.
@SirHammer - why won't you jump on the bandwagon?  you think he's town?
@TCH - I think your post has scared everyone from voting for YB thus effectivley saving him for now
@Afroboy - how in God's name do you believe that  did you go back and read his posts?  did any of you? 

the reason i am not posting is because this is getting boring we just seem to be going round in circles
im sticking with my vote on tp all his posts are just crap and pointless

He didn't defend himself .. he said he was bored .. we are going around in circles becuase your not helping .. your not convincing me otherwise .. you can't possibly be town. 

Is everyone scared that they will vote off a townie?  or if they join this vote they will be labeled mafia scum?  well if I'm right that's 2 problems you won't have to face in day 2.  All YB has done now is say - I don't give shit .. everyone appears to be "scared" so no more votes appear likely (and he's leading the count with 3) so the mafia will now target someone else (not saying they are townies but using an example) say steven, TP, MZ or a wes to move away from YB.  It's happened already !  How can someone sit there and type - oh he's crazy, erratic etc but I have a feeling he's good  the mind truely boggles.  The mafia already know your townie so there will be no surprises for them if you vote or not.   the longer this goes on the more power mafia will have as they will pick on someone else and all magically vote off a real townie - maybe one with night actions.  If YB was this he's be on, fighting, and more interested than he already is .. he'd be at least saying I'm wrong .. he's given up.  vote him off.  it's not a mafia bandwagon it's a townie bandwagon. 

[stevenryals]

fu*k it.. unvote evil as sin hammerbro
vote yorkshireblue

[laserblue]

Question to Miasg

As the person who knows them both best on the game & only accepted Town player

Who do you think is more likley to be evil ...

TCH or TP?

everybody else can answer this to.... I would like everybody's input but especially Miasg



 

[laserblue]

to miasg...... sorry didn't answer your question first there are two reasons ...

Please consider this please read to the end ... he always plays like this you havent found him so sus before.. so why now.. could it be the fact that you have such an important character & he went after you.... that's made you examine his posts carefully?

the second is that & I maybe reading this wrong but I beleive someone is trying to tell you something, but you are dismissing it..

I'm going to try to move on know I hope This is the last I'm going to post on the YB subject ... like I said I maybe wrong & end up looking daft .. but I doubt it.


another question for you please apart from yb who do you find most suspicious?

[hippo]

Actually, MIASG. I think that you've convinced me the other way on Yorkie with your last post. So unvote Yorkshire Blue.

FOUR people you've quoted, all seeming to indicate they're pretty sure YB is innocent.

There's no question he has looked dodgy, and he definitely hasn't posted in the same way either. Okay, he's made as much sense as he usually does, but there's at least one post that was 5 times the length i've ever seen from him. And i've highlighted the dodgy thing's he's said and done elsewhere. But i don't think i'm right now.

If we were right, there would be more agreement on the points about his suspiciousness, from the mafia themselves, and probably a few more votes by now. They'd want to be seen as going along with the lynching of someone evil, to clear themselves for the forthcoming days.

What has gone on with YB, is more similar to what i think would happen if he was a townie. People warning against it, distancing themselves from it. Making sure that if it does happen, they're as far away from the blame as is possible for tomorrow.

The mafia aren't generally the ones who vote for the townies on day one. It's the townies themselves. Because townies have no idea. The mafia are able to make calculated moves (because they have all of the knowledge), to ensure they look good, however the day turns out. If we lynch a mafia member, the mafia themselves will have voted for them. If we don't, they won't.

Anyway, long story short. I don't think he's mafia, because of how he has been openly defended, in what i believe to be a calculated way.

[Tommy Caton's Hairstylist]

that's not true Hippo, i think Yorkshire's suss and might have voted for him apart from TP's comment.

The others are more against band wagoning not saying he's innocent

[MIASG]

Question to MiasgAs the person who knows them both best on the game & only accepted Town player Who do you think is more likley to be evil ...TCH or TP? everybody else can answer this to.... I would like everybody's input but especially Miasg

 They both could be .. they both may not .. but your question who do I consider more .. I'd have to say TCH.   He's a calculating player and his eagerness to post things about only being 2 characters in all series makes me think hmmm especially since he admited about trying to hold back a bit of info on TP until it suited him.  Yes the mafia might have looked up wikipedia but since they knew I wasn't mafia they might not have.  He also sat back for a while to escape the limelight .. then again TP admited he did this on purpose.  yes he couldn't post at home but he could at work so I don't buy into that excuse 1 bit for not being around.. then when I ask for townies to follow me he posts a double edged sword quote which I feel scared alot of people into not voting for YB thsus creating that doubt.  If that was indeed his strategy then bravo it's worked so far.  2 more posts - i'll post anyway

TP just plays to get me - admited it .. since then he gives the allusion of helping the town although I think he causes more damage then good.

[MIASG]

he always plays like this you havent found him so sus before.. so why now.. could it be the fact that you have such an important character & he went after you.... that's made you examine his posts carefully?

I've said his posts are erratic and yes he did vote for me for line spacing .. but when I was outed he kept going and only back tracked later .. how is he helping me decide otherwise? 

the second is that & I maybe reading this wrong but I beleive someone is trying to tell you something, but you are dismissing it.. another question for you please apart from yb who do you find most suspicious?

maybe I am dismissing it .. maybe I haven't seen it .. I don't know who to trust so I'm trusting myself.  I find everyone else suspicious .. why would I not.  if I had to list a few I'm most suspicious of .. well I believe I've done this a few times but here are some of them again .. Afro, Sir Hammer, Hammerbro, Happy Axeman, TCH - funnily enough most of them seem to have said YB is prob innocent. 

what about you then laserblue... can you please show me the courtesy and tell me your list and possibly why ? 

[MIASG]

What has gone on with YB, is more similar to what i think would happen if he was a townie. People warning against it, distancing themselves from it. Making sure that if it does happen, they're as far away from the blame as is possible for tomorrow.

is this what you are doing?  you had voted for him as long as I had .. and for the same reasons .. apart from what others say which you cannot take at face value because you have no idea how many of them are mafia or not .. out of the 4 people that I highlighted how many of them do you think are possible mafia ?  I'm thinking 2 or 3.

I'm being strongly urged to unvote him .. but with no valid reasons that I can see apart from trust me. 

everyone thought I was mafia early on and it was only be coming out that stopped it .. I was accuesd of line spacing, focusing on TP, being mafia conspiracy with TP, claiming a thought process (which I started), and just being suss. 

going back to that original thought (sorry steve  ) .. what if there are 2 mafia cells and 1 mafia godfather .. if mafia godfather get's killed the mafia cells (who don't know each other) have to work independantly  .. it's straw clutching but plausable ..

If so many people are now agaist it that would mean that a few townies aren't sure - so yorkshireblue please come out and play .. stop your boredom by participating .. if you are good you now have the 2nd biggest target on your back (instead of the biggest mafia target from me) so get out and help and stop bitching about going around in circles. 

For now my vote stands as it is still my vote and i'm not entorely convinced from arguements put forward.  Steven thanks for helping me out but feel free to go back on hammerbro.

The townie bandwagon was shot dead before it started .. by townies it would seem.  I've never played a game so fat though where so many townies knew who other townies were before .. usually 2 mason's but not what seems 4 or 5

[Tommy Caton's Hairstylist]

.. Afro, Sir Hammer, Hammerbro, Happy Axeman, TCH - funnily enough most of them seem to have said YB is prob innocent. 

that's incorrect both Hammer and myself have not said he is innocent just didn't want to bandwagon. Hammerbro and the Axe.

Can't recall Hammersbro saying he was innocent either but he hasn't said much all game and why my vote is still on him.

If we can't decide on one person then vote of the person contributing the least to playing the game. So take your pick from Hammersbro, Zulu, Trick Pony(for the way he plays not for lack of posting) or Yorkshire. The way miasg suggested to lynch Yorkshire probably didn't help so we have to move on. Or the Cman needs to enforce a deadline.