Mafia 14 - The Good, The Bad and The Ugly Mafia: Game over-TOWN WIN!

[yorkshire blue]

i think that they are both town theres not really much else happened
my vote is staying on tp

[hippo]

Was just thinking. What happens what a cult tries to recruit mafia. Cult dies. The cult leaders dead. Therefore he went for a mafia. Now who does the cult try and recruit. Strong players. Such as Hippo. Bit thin i know but..... FOS: Hippo

That doesn't really make much sense. You're saying i'm the only strong player? But anyway, MIASG attempting to recruit a mafia member is one possibility yeah. I did post earlier in the day saying it was an option, along with there being a third killing role/group, potentially town or evil, because the two players who died - MIASG and TCH - had both been under some suspicion. Could have been the work of a vigilante, but might have been the work of an evil group.

As for this paranoid stuff, i guess you'll know for definite tomorrow if you get back an innocent (well, unless you're an insane cop, which i think is one who just always gets it wrong, but if we start thinking like that, we really will never decide anything). So hopefully the doctor is somebody who reads the posts.

Fair play to steve though, i don't think i've ever seen someone whose been found guilty by a cop, manage to talk everyone around? That's got to earn him some kind of award in the hall of fame.

Did anyone read the stats and stuff i did right before this roleclaim thing kicked off? I genuinely think it had some definite patterns, but nobody else seemed to comment.

[stevenryals]

hey hammerbro..  I have an idea..  and this may or may not work..

if you are a paranoid cop..  then you will get a guilty for anyone you investigate..  if I get lynched I will be found as a town member, then you will subsequently get lynched..  and if you're town that will be two lynches and two night phases where townies are lost.. 

so, here's my suggestion..  if you are actually an paranoid cop the only way to know is to investigate someone you know to be innocent..  and the only person you know to be innocent so far is who?  yourself..  I'm sure there are no stipulations in your role that say you cannot investigate yourself, should just say you can investigate one person each night..  and if you're paranoid you will come back as guilty as well..     if you come back innocent (which you wont), then the town can either lynch me or I will post my role as to avoid another night phase (thats how hammers games have been, getting mod killed doesnt necessarily mean the end of the day i.e. footballnewb)..

and hippo.. i noticed you're still going after me.. what will you do when I'm found to be innocent, you're setting yourself up ..  you know I'm innocent, it would be smart for you as mafia to lay off and hope that I dont get lynched at this point.. becuase if I am lynched you'll be the next to go.. hopefully at least..  I know you'll say "if I was mafia I wouldnt be so vocal" yes you would.. you are vocal in every game regardless of role..

[Mikeblue]

i think that they are both town theres not really much else happened
my vote is staying on tp

What the hell is this? Not much happened? Are you for real? OMG trying to lay low and show your face or what?

Steve that sounds like a good idea I like your style. Like I have said all along I thought you have both been telling the truth and I have to agree Hippo's insistant efforts to get you lynched are rousing my suspicions of him to be honest. He is really going for the easy lynch and at the end of the day if he was mafia and managed to get you lynched it easy for him to turn round and say "well what was I supposed to think the cop said he was evil" FOS HIPPO

I believed from the start that neither of you were mafi it just didn't make sense to me at all. The only thing which is strange as far as I am concerned is Hammerbro's lack of posting then suddenly claiming cop which was unusual to say the least so for me there is some serious conspiracy going on here or just strange play.

One thing for sure though is the pages of evidence against YorkshireBlue and that last post says it all reall!!!! If he is not trying to glide through then I am a monkeys uncle!!! What have you contributed and when have you tried to help the town??? You dear sir are EVIL

My vote is well and truly remaining on YORKY!!!

Any chance of hearing from somebody else rather than the usual half dozen??? To me this makes it more difficult to believe that Ryalls and Hammer are mafia as I think the mafia are sitting back laughing at us accusing innocents and they don't need to get involved just glide through like YORKY!!! Nobody has tried to defend anyone and they (mafia) are just letting us crack on. The only person really pushing it is Hippo.....maybe he thinks its the most logical thing to do as a towny or maybe he is being a sneaky mafia trying to get the bandwagon going with an easy excuse for a bad lynch?

[stevenryals]

Like I have said all along I thought you have both been telling the truth

this is a sus statement..  when hammerbro claimed cop, you HAD to believe that either he or I one were evil..  since then your mind may have changed..  but from the beginning everyone had to think that one of us had to be evil..  I assumed straight off that he was mafia, then the idea of paranoid cop came up and here we find ourselves in the situation that we're in..

I'd say any town member would assume that one of the two would have to be guilty..

mafia however, would know that both are innocent..

[Mikeblue]

this is a sus statement..  when hammerbro claimed cop, you HAD to believe that either he or I one were evil..  since then your mind may have changed..  but from the beginning everyone had to think that one of us had to be evil..  I assumed straight off that he was mafia, then the idea of paranoid cop came up and here we find ourselves in the situation that we're in..

I'd say any town member would assume that one of the two would have to be guilty..

mafia however, would know that both are innocent..

Jesus Christ talk about disecting a post and scrutinising every word! lol. I am town I don't need to re read and check everything I have wrote cause am not trying to hide anything.

But well picked up. What I meant obviously was when both of you had come out and given your views that is the conclusion I came to. To be honest initially for some reason I thought Hammer was mafia cause it seemed so strange to do what he did........but now I think it was just strange play on his part and maybe he thought he would be protected.

Not to say for one minute either of you are out of the woods as you are both still obviously highly suspicious but I am keeping with my original vote for the person I have found most sus the whole game. If I am wrong I am wrong but I want to make my own decisions this game and not get sucked in to any Mafia bandwagons and stick to my insticts and gut feelings. These are telling me right now that Yorkshire is evil!!!

[stevenryals]

Just had to point that out, was a sus statement, and we may have to go back to that..

stevenryals - reverend leone
hippo - mafia..
Trick Pony -  mafia..
HappyAxeman - mafia..  
mophead -  useless..  maybe a mod kill in day 3 if he doesnt get to it..  but i think he's town
Mikeblue - ?? made a very sus statement, and had a very rough first day.. could be mafia..
SVH - probs town..
Hammerbro - confident he's a paraniod cop, if not he's mafia.. but i'm leaning towards sherriff hackman
Wesmancity - seems to be mafia
Yorkshireblue - useless..  50/50 due to inactivity..
Laserblue - seems town so far speaks little but sounds sensible
Afroboy - same here
Currieman - back and forth..not sure on him.. probably town..
Amadjin -  claimed, but didnt have a named role, such as sherriff hackman or reverend leone.. could be that all mafia have no name roles such as "Mafia henchman" as in bluestars case..

So 14 people left..  prob 5 maf left, and the posibility of a cult, which i see as a slim shot..

someone mentioned something earlier that was interesting.. 

there are historically 2 ways for MIASG to have been killed as the cult leader.. 1) serial killer/vig killer..  and 2) by trying to recruit a mafia member..  if he was killed by trying to reruit mafia..  where was the serial/vigilante?  I think I know the answer to that.. 

[Mikeblue]

Are you going to give us the answer to that???

I was Vigilante in X-men and I could kill or investigate so maybe if their is a vigilante he chose to investigate.

[stevenryals]

I was Vigilante in X-men and I could kill or investigate so maybe if their is a vigilante he chose to investigate.

different mods

[hippo]

Would you like my name and role, to save you blinding yourself further, simply because i've accused you (with facts, something which you still refuse to acknowledge)?

I agree about Trick Pony, he was one of my main suspects based on research. I said earlier as well that one of the 4 who had less than 10 posts at the time - hammerbro, newb, axeman and svh - would be evil, and just trying to lurk. Since then we've learned things about 3 of them through their activity, or being modkilled (i know he didn't reveal a role, but i can't see it being mafia). And that leaves Axeman. So yeah, he's a strong possibility too.

Yorkshire Blue i'd say is likely to be the other one, because of the way he came on and voted for Hammerbro straight away. Saw an opportunity to get rid of what was potentially a cop and jumped on it, and then recently has said nothing's going on. Complete lack of effort to find the evils. He seems dodgy.

I also find mophead suspicious, because of his inactivity and again, not being on the list of people that voted for bluestars.

And finally, amadjin for doing that mafia claim thing on day one, and completely backing off since Axeman suggested he was trying to force a lynch on stevenryals a bit much. Could even have been mafia communication going on there - Axeman subtley telling amadjin to back off, and let some other mug (me) say the potentially incriminating stuff.

As for this vig stuff, a bounty hunter would be somebody who could investigate or kill. It's a possible. Someone's had it before in a Hammer modded game anyway.

[stevenryals]

I also find mophead suspicious, because of his inactivity and again, not being on the list of people that voted for bluestars.

 

I know I'm not supposed to.. but since I live with him..  I cant see him being evil..  he's not even bothered by the game this gime..  the last game he was very excited adn he was only beast..  he was on every day, but he's not even logging on now. and i've reminded him..  i think he's town, and probably going to get modkilled in day 3 or 4 unless he picks it up and gets involved..  but with 30 something pages.. i doubt that will happen..

And finally, amadjin for doing that mafia claim thing on day one, and completely backing off since Axeman suggested he was trying to force a lynch on stevenryals a bit much. Could even have been mafia communication going on there - Axeman subtley telling amadjin to back off, and let some other mug (me) say the potentially incriminating stuff.

I think amadjin's role claim was clever...  and it's got everyone confused..  i'd still stay aware of amadjin though.. 

[Happy Axeman]

wtf lol
I know Hammer can be a bit daft and weird, but surely he would not of used a char from a different film completely? he would of used something from the film or nothing at all, I have no name for my char, i'm merely a drunken bum. lol
the only link for Sheriff Hackman is the fact Clint eastwood directed the film... something like 20+ years after good the bad the ugly was filmed.

Hammer has in the past used paranoid cops. they give off the reverse verdict. so a 'with you' turns into 'against you'

I think Stevenryals is pro-town, hence why i voted Hammersbro as he looks as though he is lying. Lynching someone who has claimed cop could be bad... its a tricky situ. I guess hammer being hammer, you just never know what he's upto...

unvote Hammersbro

I havent read enough of the pages yet to gain many hunch's, But I still think Currieman is my only Prime suspect... Along with amadjin...
kill him and you also kill another? wtf is that all about. the only link i can think of from the film that could slightly resemble that is Blondie and Tuco. I doubt he's either of them.
VOTE AMADJIN

[hippo]

There's something about that last post that doesn't really sit right with me. Axeman, you seem to be making the occasional appearance, adding not alot and accusing/voting whoever has been mentioned in the post directly before yours. I know you've said you have no time, but it's coming across as very suspicious. As is saying you're "merely a drunken bum". It sounds like the sort of thing mafia would say, because they're not named and they can't think of anything plausible. It sounds ridiculous. Coupled with that, you didn't vote for bluestars on day one, which is pretty suspicious considering how she was, and you can't say you didn't notice because you weren't reading, because you said..

She doesnt seem pro-town.

and that's an acknowledgement that you'd noticed how dodgy she was, but chose to vote for currieman instead. Based on a hunch, from a joke. Why? It just seems weird.

The more you're saying, the more you're appearing mafia to me. When you voted for hammerbro, you did the mafia type thing of trying to set-up the next lynch before this one has even happened. You're dodgy.

FOS Happy Axeman

[stevenryals]

so we know that Amadjin, HappyAxeman & Mikeblue dont have names on their role.. 
and we know that "Sherrif Hackman" and "Reverend Leone" are named characters..
then we get this vital piece of information from hippo...

As is saying you're "merely a drunken bum". It sounds like the sort of thing mafia would say, because they're not named and they can't think of anything plausible.

This is a very definitive statement that mafia do not have names..  I've suspected that and wrote this..

Amadjin -  claimed, but didnt have a named role, such as sherriff hackman or reverend leone.. could be that all mafia have no name roles such as "Mafia henchman" as in bluestars case..

hippo seems to know this for a fact, and who could speak with such accuracy concerning the general role construction of the mafia...  only the mafia.. of course..

this, coupled with your last two slips that I noted on the previous page (i think, maybe 2 pages ago by now) makes you mafia in my eyes..

but nobody will ever know, because the only players in this game are me, hippo, currie, mike & a post here and there from axeman & yorkshire..  i have a feeling this game is dying.. 

but I think i'm on to something here..

[hippo]

Right okay, firstly that isn't a definitive statement. It says it sounds like something they would say, in that situation. If you want to try and twist it, fair enough.

Got an answer to why you lied for bluestars on day one yet? Thought not.

My name is Piripero and i'm a regular townie, with the exception that i can help one person survive a night phase once within the game. I've used it, on mikeblue last night, in an attempt to prevent the whole "shoot one townie, get one free" scenario. Dunno if it protected him from any danger, but he was such an obvious target after it all, that i thought it was worth it.

Hence why when you started the day voting him straight away, saying that he should be dead, i didn't vote for him, and highlighted the fact that he'd also have been the number one target for protection.

So i guess i'm useless now, but i certainly ain't mafia.

[stevenryals]

Got an answer to why you lied for bluestars on day one yet? Thought not.

got an answer why i pushed and pushed to get people to realize her change in play,  requesting time and time again that people go back and review past games and see the drastic change in her play?  why I had to request currieman & amadjin time and time again so they would have the background info to know the difference in her game play?

when you say I "lied" over and over..  that's a push isnt it..  how about when you like by editing a post that I made so that it sounded like I was saying something different from what I was saying..

your claim to me is crap..  you've seen the pattern of how the names have been given out, and you've had 2 days to figure out what your going to say.. 

had this been a TCH game, and every name was in the same movie, and theres the chance of a counter claim..  I may believe you, but nobody can put any trust on claims now that we've figured out that names are coming from all over from all kinds of western movies..  your claim and any other claim from here on should be reviewed but ignored.. 

you say:

Right okay, firstly that isn't a definitive statement. It says it sounds like something they would say, in that situation. If you want to try and twist it, fair enough.

when in reality, it was a definitive statement..  it's not a twist, it's the name of this game isn't it..

here's your quote:

It sounds like the sort of thing mafia would say,

because they're not named and they can't think of anything plausible.

and thats the definitive part there..   

to be honest, I cant remember you ever role claiming..

I'm going to try to look at past games and see how if you ever have role claimed..  because it seems like it's very easy to role claim a random character from any western and your chances of getting away with it are very high.. 

interesting also that yours is the first that's been mentioned that's actually a characters name instead of a take off of the actor..  will be back

[stevenryals]

i was wrong, he's claimed before a couple times..  but I couldnt remember..

[Trick Pony]

i think that they are both town theres not really much else happened
my vote is staying on tp

Yorky you seriously have no idea mate, I guess your still pissed from the last game  I see you have taken the easy vote so you dont have to put a vote on your boss 

[Trick Pony]

Are their any deadlines in place yet ?

[stevenryals]

Are their any deadlines in place yet ?

NO there are no deadlines, if you want to get this game going , get in here and put yourself about..  you've been useless so far..  but that's because you're mafia.. so i expect no less from you..  so.. go back to work, and check in once every couple days..  and try to be as townlike as possible.