Mafia 13 Lord of the Rings - Town Win

[MIASG]

Not to mention Wes is altogether convinced of his evilness since day one...which seems he still hasn't answered ANY of my questions as to how he'd know this or any real evidence....and yet claims to be mason...and no one else but Axeman and myself I think still question that at all....

The problem with Wes saying he's a mason that it's now obvious the hobbits are 2 mason groups - he would have been kept alive to find his partner .. if anyone else comes out and claims mason then they are a big target .. if Wes isn't a mason at all then it's probably a masterstroke of gameplay as we still have 6 days to get the ring to Modor but my guess is that they'll save wes for a while as he's a sure bet later to kill and possibly root out another mason for the mafia. 

once again MASONS please do not ROLE claim as other townies can only survive 1 night with the ring if we end up with it..

[Trick Pony]

Ok so here are my current thoughts on ALL PLAYERS, so have a look and lets get some focus this time instead of lynching another townie so we get this vote right. I don't think the current votes are really being thought about as everyone seems to interested in finishing the day which seems like an obvoius mafia move so lets go over every player before the end of the day to make sure we are all confident with who we lynch.

FBN and liverbird id love to see your list so everyone can comment as well as your to quiet for comfort.

NOTE : mafia - townie %

AfroBoy - possibly mafia at this stage im 50-50 on him at the moment. Nothing substantial to say from his posts.
Bluestars - 10-90 possible mason probably a Hobbit / gandolf
FootballNewb - 50-50 either a mason or mafia godfather, he doesn't say enough to get anything else out of his posts. possibly mason group A?
Hammerbro - Dead - Hammerbros body is lost in the rockfall, you morn his loss as he was Faramir and a Townie
Happy Axeman - 50-50 not sure on axeman, he plays a clever game not giving any character hints in any game, possible serial killer though as he is very through in his though process from the way he is posting.
Hippo - 70-30 mafia to townie though possible serial killer as well. to quiet to tell in regards to trying to investigate players.
LaserBlue - 30-70 mason group B or reg townie at this stage.
Liverbird - MIA so probably maifa probably to obvious to be the godfather at this stage, though some input would be good ...
Miasg - normal townie possible (mason) - Pippen ? - though he claimed
MikeBlue - Dead - MikeBlue unfortunately turns out to be Strider/Aragorn and the Doctor
Mophead -  defiantly mafia at this stage though hes irrational at times so he makes it hard to tell.
Sir Hammer - have no idea so 50-50. Ill read over his posts to get a better idea about him.
Stevenryals - Dead - Merry was Stevenryals and part of the Mason group B so another townie has been killed and a hobbit as well. Pippen 
SVH - same as hammer I have no idea so 50-50. Ill read over his posts to get a better idea about him as well.
Trick Pony - reg townie no powers - yes FBN thats a fact so either believe me or get over it and leave your vote on me, nothings personal your just doing a safety vote in my opinion so you dont provoke any one elses attention, though I still believe your
Wesmancity - 10-90 mason group A?
Yorkshire Blue - 50-50 possible mafia / serial killer / reg townie.

Also from above the players with townie next to them could also have a special role im just not sure who would have what as no one stands out, though im sure TCH has a roleblocker, investigator, doctor already dead, and possible bullet proof townie though least likely of them all at this stage.

Anyway im up the coast again this weekend but I should be on tomorrow morning giving everyone enough time to post a response for me to consider current opinions.

[Trick Pony]

i got interupted and forgot to finish one part:

Trick Pony - reg townie no powers - yes FBN thats a fact so either believe me or get over it and leave your vote on me, nothings personal your just doing a safety vote in my opinion so you dont provoke any one elses attention, though I still believe your a mason at this stage.

[wesmancity]

Not to mention Wes is altogether convinced of his evilness since day one...which seems he still hasn't answered ANY of my questions as to how he'd know this or any real evidence....

Bluestars, why havnt read any of my posts re: Laserblue??, i have said why i think hes evil twice before but still you are saying that i havent explained my reasons. Go back and read my posts then you will find the answer. And if you havnt seemed to grasp that its not only me that thinks he's evil aswell, hes had 3 other votes aswell.

[hippo]

Hippo - 70-30 mafia to townie though possible serial killer as well. to quiet to tell in regards to trying to investigate players.

Sorry, but that's a ridiculous statement. Fair enough if you've read my posts and decided i might be evil - poor judgment maybe, but people never seem to trust me, so i'd accept it. But you clearly haven't read my posts if you think that i've been too quiet in trying to find out about players. I've been the most vocal if anything. How much of the game have you read? And if all of it, why are you trying to lie in order to incriminate me?

I don't think the current votes are really being thought about as everyone seems to interested in finishing the day which seems like an obvoius mafia move

Mophead -  defiantly mafia at this stage though hes irrational at times so he makes it hard to tell.

So you don't think the current votes are thought through, but you do think the person currently co-leading the lynch race is mafia? So what isn't thought through? Essentially, what you've posted is an out and out defense of laserblue isn't it?

I was one of the main voices in pointing out his errors and suspiciousness, so you've stated that i'm probably mafia, and that he's part of mason group B. You're not part of mason group B yourself, because Stevenryals was the other (who incidentally, you voted for), so how would you possibly be in a position to make that statement? It's an utterly nonsensical attempt at diverting the attention away from laserblue, who i can only conclude is your mafia friend.

Now, if you've got an actual response, rather than just lying about me, i'd like to hear it.

[MIASG]

Miasg - normal townie possible (mason) - Pippen ? - though he claimed

Stevenryals - Dead - Merry was Stevenryals and part of the Mason group B so another townie has been killed and a hobbit as well. Pippen 

Pippen claimed ?  how - only when he died did I know that StevenRyals was Pippen.  As I've said I'm normal townie not a mason.

You've pretty much said everyone is townie or mafia/serial killer (so hedging your bets) in every case except Bluestars and laserblue who you have claimed probably townie, gandolf, or hobbit-mason ..  I'm sorry but they are both 50-50 to me so I can't see why you think they are more townie than me or some others. 

Now I'm not sure to switch my vote from mophead to Trick Pony .. you seem certain that mophead is mafia .. or maybe switch to laserblue who I'm thinking is a mafia buddy .. seeing the vote count I'm going to switch to UNVOTE MOPHEAD and VOTE LASERBLUE  on my assumption that laserblue is TP's mafia buddy.. to be honest I wouldn't be surprised to find Trick Pony, Laserblue, and mophead all mafia.  Actually on relection i'll unvote laserblue now and vote Trick Pony as I don't want to potentially condem someone on what you've said and I think your mafia 100%

[Sir Villain]

Trick Ponys post is essentially gibberish. People having a 50-50 chance of being Mafia/Town/Serial Killer

He doesnt think that the current votes are really being thought about, and everyone seems to want to end the day. This is an obvious mafia move, he claims. Currently about 9 people have voted, and he is saying therefore that everyone is using an obvious mafia move.

Ok so here are my current thoughts on ALL PLAYERS, so have a look and lets get some focus this time instead of lynching another townie so we get this vote right. I don't think the current votes are really being thought about as everyone seems to interested in finishing the day which seems like an obvoius mafia move so lets go over every player before the end of the day to make sure we are all confident with who we lynch.

FBN and liverbird id love to see your list so everyone can comment as well as your to quiet for comfort.

NOTE : mafia - townie %

AfroBoy - possibly mafia at this stage im 50-50 on him at the moment. Nothing substantial to say from his posts.
Bluestars - 10-90 possible mason probably a Hobbit / gandolf
FootballNewb - 50-50 either a mason or mafia godfather, he doesn't say enough to get anything else out of his posts. possibly mason group A?
Hammerbro - Dead - Hammerbros body is lost in the rockfall, you morn his loss as he was Faramir and a Townie
Happy Axeman - 50-50 not sure on axeman, he plays a clever game not giving any character hints in any game, possible serial killer though as he is very through in his though process from the way he is posting.
Hippo - 70-30 mafia to townie though possible serial killer as well. to quiet to tell in regards to trying to investigate players.
LaserBlue - 30-70 mason group B or reg townie at this stage.
Liverbird - MIA so probably maifa probably to obvious to be the godfather at this stage, though some input would be good ...
Miasg - normal townie possible (mason) - Pippen ? - though he claimed
MikeBlue - Dead - MikeBlue unfortunately turns out to be Strider/Aragorn and the Doctor
Mophead -  defiantly mafia at this stage though hes irrational at times so he makes it hard to tell.
Sir Hammer - have no idea so 50-50. Ill read over his posts to get a better idea about him.
Stevenryals - Dead - Merry was Stevenryals and part of the Mason group B so another townie has been killed and a hobbit as well. Pippen 
SVH - same as hammer I have no idea so 50-50. Ill read over his posts to get a better idea about him as well.
Trick Pony - reg townie no powers - yes FBN thats a fact so either believe me or get over it and leave your vote on me, nothings personal your just doing a safety vote in my opinion so you dont provoke any one elses attention, though I still believe your
Wesmancity - 10-90 mason group A?
Yorkshire Blue - 50-50 possible mafia / serial killer / reg townie.

Also from above the players with townie next to them could also have a special role im just not sure who would have what as no one stands out, though im sure TCH has a roleblocker, investigator, doctor already dead, and possible bullet proof townie though least likely of them all at this stage.

Anyway im up the coast again this weekend but I should be on tomorrow morning giving everyone enough time to post a response for me to consider current opinions.

His comments on Hippo are strange, as are his on Axeman and I have no idea why he is speculating as to who he thinks are the hobbits. They need to stay as unknown and safe as possible. We have already lost one, and one suspected hobbit out in the open.

A blatant attempt to cover Laserblue as well with no reason why he thinks hes innocent, and again no substance of a reason on why he is certain Mophead is mafia.

[Sir Villain]

2 things that get me hammer is your statement
yet you change your vote as it's going no where and to a person who's 2nd on the list.  why couldn't your vote for liverbird stand ?  she still hasn't come on .. your vote has no taken her off 2nd and put laserblue up ... surely your vote for the 2nd placed suspect ment something ?

the 2nd is your reasons to suspect laserblue of befriending you and hippo .. who said you were both townies? maybe he believes you both to be.  I would have thought if he were evil he'd be siding with one of you to try to knock the other one out and not befriend you.

In all this I'm not trying to protect laserblue I just question your ways of voting for him.  he's still in limbo for me.

In response to this, my vote on Liverbird was meant to try and put pressure on her to post, but if shes not reading the posts or understands the game then theres no point in her playing, or me wasting my time trying.

Your 2nd point, maybe he does believe us both to be townies, however i'm only certain on myself, and maybe he would try to play us of against each other, we dont know thats just how i interpreted it.

[Sir Villain]

Trick Ponys post is essentially gibberish. People having a 50-50 chance of being Mafia/Town/Serial Killer

He doesnt think that the current votes are really being thought about, and everyone seems to want to end the day. This is an obvious mafia move, he claims. Currently about 9 people have voted, and he is saying therefore that everyone is using an obvious mafia move.

His comments on Hippo are strange, as are his on Axeman and I have no idea why he is speculating as to who he thinks are the hobbits. They need to stay as unknown and safe as possible. We have already lost one, and one suspected hobbit out in the open.

A blatant attempt to cover Laserblue as well with no reason why he thinks hes innocent, and again no substance of a reason on why he is certain Mophead is mafia.

To continue my theory is that TP and Mophead are in a mafia together. By standing up for Laserblue, when Laserblue is lynched and turns up innocent (if he is) then TP can have a free pass. Likewise if its Mophead that goes then he can similarily claim that he was a main man  in a mafia lynching. Not certain right now but enough for me to Unvote:laserblue at the moment until TP and Mophead answer me

[bluestarsneyes]

Bluestars, why havnt read any of my posts re: Laserblue??, i have said why i think hes evil twice before but still you are saying that i havent explained my reasons. Go back and read my posts then you will find the answer. And if you havnt seemed to grasp that its not only me that thinks he's evil aswell, hes had 3 other votes aswell.

Actually I'm sorry I must apologize you did finally explain your vote, just so many freaking posts I'll be honest I missed it, but have gone back and reread all the posts now.

[Tommy Caton's Hairstylist]

ok about 22 hours to go till the deadline, the vote count is currently

LaserBlue   4 Votes
Mophead    3 Votes
Trick Pony  2 Votes


yet to Vote, BLuestars, Laserblue, Liverbird, Mophead and Trick Pony

The deadline for Day Two is Midday Saturday UK time.

8 votes are required to cause a lynch


Hammer you did not bold your unvote, so it's not counted yet

[bluestarsneyes]

AfroBoy         vote mophead         18

Bluestars         yet to vote
         
FootballNewb      vote trickpony         19

Happy Axeman      vote laserblue         19

Hippo         vote laserblue         17

LaserBlue         vote masterzulu         19

Liverbird         yet to vote...actually TCH do you know if she's back in town?
         
Miasg         vote trick pony         20

Mophead         yet to vote
         
Sir Hammer      vote laserblue         18

SVH         Vote Laserblue         13

Trick Pony      yet to vote
            
Wesmancity      VOTE mophead         18

Yorkshire Blue      VOTE mophead         17

[Tommy Caton's Hairstylist]

no i don't, i have pm'd her again and Mike was going to call her, though hopefully she will appear soon.

[Sir Villain]

UNvote:laserblue

[MIASG]

just tidying bluestars work up a bit (not a complaint)

AfroBoy         vote mophead         18
Wesmancity      VOTE mophead         18
Yorkshire Blue      VOTE mophead         17

Miasg         vote trick pony         20         
FootballNewb      vote trickpony         19

Happy Axeman      vote laserblue         19
Hippo         vote laserblue         17
Sir Hammer      vote laserblue         18
SVH         Vote Laserblue         13

LaserBlue      vote masterzulu         19

Liverbird      yet to vote
Mophead      yet to vote
Bluestars      yet to vote         
Trick Pony   yet to vote

2 of the yet to votes have hardly been on if on at all day 2 .. and bluestars and trick pony say they've been busy ..

laserblue that vote for masterzulu stands out as being strange ..

[bluestarsneyes]

VOTE LASERBLUE

Alright...I've watched this game develop over the many posts at this point and do not like to simply jump on and rush a vote. I feel I've thought this through over and over in my head and put together as many of the pieces as I can.

Miasg and Footballnewb...I see your votes for Trickpony...and Hippo your concerns over him...I agree some of his postings made me nervous as it did appear odd to defend certain ones on that list...however that being said...to place a vote on him for simply defending another player at this point...even though I might be able to see your points...I can't vote that way this time.

Laserblue...I've had to think of a few things...first off you are an experienced player...you really are one of the best players most times in these games. You always play with a cool head so it's very hard to read you to be honest.

That being said...I think that is what makes it hard for me and why I didn't want to rush a vote. However, sometimes you simply have to put all the pieces together and see where it falls.

For me the evidence on laserblue is simply more than the evidence I could see in my mind of other players at this point in the game.

1) voted for mikeblue to be lynched....well that in itself would not be a single determining factor for me...but it quite simply is a fact. He was townie and was lynched and was the doctor which is a powerful role the town needed. so...not good.

2) votes for masterzulu....well this is just off the wall and I thought maybe you might have drank some mophead brain soup for lunch and lost your mind...but you have not posted again and simply...well that speaks alot to me.

3) Not voting for mophed...okay this is where it kind of all made it clear where I was going to vote in my mind. A normal townie...assuming for a minute laserblue was...would see the votes mounting up for himself vs. mophead...why would you NOT vote for mophead to save your own neck? Only one reason comes to mind...because mophead is mafia with you? I mean I've tried to come up with other reasons why he'd not vote for the other person that is gaining as many votes as him...but couldn't come up with anythings significant....inst ead he picks a player that is not even in the game...and obviously has no prior votes....WHY...this is nuts...why would he do this??? Why not at least vote for someone that had a chance of going before you if you were truly townie?

Putting all the pieces together in my mind I just can't see any reason not to vote for laserblue...althoug h of course he's not the only one suspect in my mind...the pieces just don't add up to him being anyway a townie.

Feel free to comment and let me know what you feel...but for now I feel I have no choice but to vote and at least give him a chance to come on and respond...I don't like the last minute voting....but I don't like rush voting either....so for what it's worth...there's my measly American two cents.

[Tommy Caton's Hairstylist]

well no change in the count


LaserBlue   4 Votes
Mophead    3 Votes
Trick Pony  2 Votes


yet to Vote, Laserblue, Liverbird, Mophead, Sir Hammer and Trick Pony

The deadline for Day Two is Midday Saturday UK time.

8 votes are required to cause a lynch

[laserblue]

sorry about the masterzulu vote just trying to add a bit of humour as some people seem to be getting a bit worked up about this game

I think the town are about to make a fatal error so has anyone got any problems with me roleclaiming ..... if you have please say asap cause where kinda running outa time

[mophead]

What do you mean add humor? Just tell a joke or something if you are going to add humor.

VOTE LASERBLUE

[Tommy Caton's Hairstylist]

Well only 3 people in the running

LaserBlue   5 Votes
Mophead    3 Votes
Trick Pony  2 Votes

yet to Vote, Laserblue, Liverbird, Sir Hammer and Trick Pony

The deadline for Day Two is Midday Saturday UK time which is about 11 hours from now

8 votes are required to cause a lynch