Mafia 12 : X-Men : Mafia Win

[Steve Van Halen]

im still wary of wesmancity as well. if either of us are killed in the night if he survives the day it will look even worse

so do we have mophead as a serial killer/vigilante and wesmancity as mafia? thats what it looks like to me at the moment

[wesmancity]

you still havent given me a decent enough explanation of who told you about SVH playing the way he does...

My theory is that with you being a newbie, Steven sent you a pre-game PM to look out for SVH doing this type of thing and then try to get him lynched for an easy day 1 or day2 lynching... but cause your new and still figuring out what the hell it is your doing, you slipped up very early in the game, page 2 to be precise.

your theory is rubbish.

I wasnt told anything, it was a joke regaurding the newbies..... and if thats all you have then you're clutching at straws Axeman. I am new and thought i would have a laugh in the earlier posts why would steveryals keep bringing that up if i was mafia with him??, you can not answer that.

[Happy Axeman]

Ryals keeps bringing what up?

I'm sorry wes, but yet again the answer is unsatisfactory. You were having a laugh maybe, but your brain switched off, which resulted in you making a mistake.
Its really hard being part of the mafia, your sub-consience is always trying to make its way into your writings... its very easy to slip up if you dont check your posts over and over again before posting...

Clutching at straws? this is the only thing i'm picking up on at the moment(there is more...just needs a re-read), because your feathers are getting rather ruffled without not much pressure... I have a feeling your the one who's trying to catch there breath as your getting that sinking feeling.

Your going down with your Godfather, Down with your Godfather, your going down with your godfather..

MY gut is turning over at the mo, And the feeling is that strong I have to go with it...
UNVOTE MOPHEAD
VOTE WESMANCITY

[bluestarsneyes]

(I am posting this although it appears that a few posts have been made while I typed this...I'll post this...then read new posts and respost my responses)

well have to say I am somewhat shocked and yet not looking back now.

As usual stevenryals right out says I'm evil...but he does that every game...so I didn't really think too much about it...normally he says it then when I give it back he lays off....well he didn't he kind of each time he'd post something to cast doubt on me...and he gave me alot of crap for saying I was town. Which I thought was just a little off.

Yorkshireblue forced me to vote for him because at the time I did, the votes were even him for me, so if I moved my vote I was sure others that I thought were mafia would jump on it and kill me off.

I asked him after he voted for me to come back on and say something and give me a chance to defend myself and asked him why he was using Steven's excuses to vote for me, but he never responded

I really thought he was just a normal mafia...when he turned out to be town...I was thinking well I guess that makes Steven innocent now...but then WOW...was I wrong on that one!

I am going to have to reread some posts and see what I think. I kind of had a feeling Steven was acting different as he was going after me in kind of a different way than last time....he was pretty consistent in over and over questioning me.

Either way....stinks we lost laser and yorkie...I have to beg all townies to be more involved now...it's obvious that yorkie didn't help himself or us day one by posting enough or responding when votes were going for him. Instead he votes for me that didn't even vote for him! I'm still confused by that...but whatever...on with the game. Get involved all townies....we've lost two and don't need to loose more!

Also, SVH I have to assume you are telling the truth, and Steven did actually call you out as being a mason....so unless another mason speaks up, you have my trust.

[bluestarsneyes]

Ok Steve .... erm  FOS steven Ryals ... cause by the law of averages he's got be evil sooner or later

Lucky guess laserblue...guess this is what got him.

[Mikeblue]

Shame about Laser, But at least the Vigilante took out the godfather. 

I knew Steven was playing a different game...

I currently have 2 major suspects, they are Wesmancity(my senses are tingling like mad, and i'm not sure why.. just something i see in his posts...) and Mophead...

After Mopheads strange burst at the end of day1 means he has to go now surely? How mophead survived and Yorkshire was lynched is beyond me.

lets hope we are now on a role, and lets not let the mafia kill anymore of us. VOTE Mophead

Or the serial killer???

[Mikeblue]

No time to reply now will be on 2moro with my thoughts.

[Happy Axeman]

yes he could be a serial killer. but if we assume the Mafia killed Laser, and the vigilante killed StevenRyals, where does that leave the serial killer as there were only 2 deaths... or the serial killer killed Stevenryals and we have no Vigilante?

i have 3 people down as possible evil...

Afroboy, Mophead and Wesmancity.
Unless proven otherwise, my vote is going on one of them. currently its on Wemancity cause i'm more sure of his guilt than anybody elses... plus i always seem to be gunnng for Afro and Mop, so I need to chill off them for a bit. lol

[Steve Van Halen]

i need someone to help me make my mind up here

Mophead or wesmancity? one of them is getting my vote, i think both are evil in some capacity but i think mophead is our killer

if there is a role blocker could you please block mophead in the night if he survives the day please?

wesmancity I would like to know your role if you accumulate votes so that we dont lose another townie if we are wrong.

[Happy Axeman]

the way I see it, if the Serial Killer did kill Steven, and we dont have a vigilante, and the serial killer is Mophead, I would keep him in today as the Mafia would probably have to take him out as he is a threat to them too...

Which leaves the Mafia role which is more dangerous in the long run(there is more of them), and that is why i have gone for Wes.

[MASTERZULU]

Just FYI before you lot start, I'm here and playing still, its gonna take me a few more read throughs of the last few pages of posts to get my head around whats going on atm... 

[Steve Van Halen]

makes sense to me

vote wesmancity


I would like to say again, if there is a role blocker could you block mophead in the night phase please?

[wesmancity]

Ryals keeps bringing what up?

here happy axeman,

yet another 'come in, make a showing, dash out' post by our good friend wes.. 

this was the comment when i said what i said.

[bluestarsneyes]

Well I'm getting a bit nervous....still reading back and have to say either steven was really attempting to confuse us or either wes is serial and not mafia...reason I say this is that steven takes a good go at him in the beginning which if he was mafia he would not do....not sure what I think at the moment, honestly masterzulu was my first suspect in my mind to be mafia...probably because of this voting he did for me that was more suspect than yorkiebut yet at the time I said I WANTED to vote for zulu, but no votes were going that way and it would have got me killed.

Quick game question - So at this stage of the game do people who are mafia know who the other mafia guys are?

Nevrmind, just found my answer in the begineers guide.

hmm, I had you down as Mafia from pretty early on in the game, but i'm not so sure now. I think your just trying to gleam information from me as I've not posted much as a lot of you guys, which I can understand tbh.

FOS Footballnewb - another I've had my eye on since early on and my position hasn't changed on that one.

Vote : bluestarsneyes

see he says he votes for me and never gives a reason...seems so odd to me...

I never see Steven taking on or mentioning zulu in a negative way at all.

I'm not taking up for wes but I'm really wondering about zulu...and think he may be mafia.

I have been rereading and putting a few things pop out so far as obvious

SVH is the mason no one has refuted that one
Laserblue was the other mason
Yorkshireblue townie
(That means out of a game of 14 I think, we know of three townies..I say 4 as I include myself...but whatever)

mikeblue I sort of assume can't be the serial killer as he didn't log in and was gone and couldn't have taken the action to get rid of steven, may be wrong on that one, but that means he's either mafia or town in my eyes...and I'm leaning toward mafia at the moment simply cause he's not taken on by Steven much either.

(it appears we all assume serial killer got steven..not too versed on all roles but that's the one role that is not town or mafia right but out just for themselves?...if that is true then serial killer has to be one that felt threatened by steven, which does appear wes is a good canidate for it)

Either way, I think zulu is mafia and makes him more dangerous...not 100% sure, never can be...but want to see what he has to say today.

[Happy Axeman]

@wes but everyone was saying the same, so his comment now that we know he is mafia means nothing.

@Bluestars, Steven doesnt have a really good go at wes at all. its all half hearted with no real intent, and only says what most players would be thinking or had said it already. he was just covering his arse incase the noob got it... especially after wes's blunder on page 2 which i keep refering too. It would make sense for the godfather to distance himself, but not too distant where wes was up for nomination. 

StevenRyals is a good player when he is town, when he is evil you can see he struggles cause he posts too much, if he didnt post lots like normal he would be lynched. lol

I'm not 100% on Zulu either, but your main suspicion of him is because he voted for you? erm sorry chuck, but isnt that the aim of the game?

I dont assume we have a serial killer, we could have a vigilante instead. what i have said is that Mopheads play seems to look like a serial killer role. Only he can say wether he is or not and until he does say something, everything about his role will be assumptions.

Mikeblue could of used a night action because he was here during the night phase, he could be mafia or a killing role...

for what my opinion is worth, Afro, Wes and Mop are far more suspicious.

[bluestarsneyes]

what is the difference between a vigilante and serial killer? Neither are town or mafia but mainly out for themselves only? If so, to me the obvious choice to find out who this is would be to figure out who was threatened enough by Steven to take him out....because it helped out us town on night one, but it might not night two..know what I mean? So it seems a dangerous role and one that basing it on this logic Wes would fit.

I know folks are supposed to vote for others, BUT normally when a townie votes for someone they will explain themselves or say something....he mentions footballnewby (which I'm leaning toward thinking he's innocent) and Wes...but then just votes my name. I just thought it was more curious than other votes....but whatever I'll let him defend himself.

OH I thought mike just came back tonight, so okay...he's still a possible canidate for the serial/or killer whatever...just thought he'd been gone this this morning.

I am no good at judging my kid....sorry just the mamma in me is no good at seeing through him, so if you guys want to roleblock him, fine by me...I mean he did try to vote for me this game and so I can't defend him he's on his own.

[Happy Axeman]

your theory is rubbish.

I wasnt told anything, it was a joke regaurding the newbies..... and if thats all you have then you're clutching at straws Axeman. I am new and thought i would have a laugh in the earlier posts why would steveryals keep bringing that up if i was mafia with him??, you can not answer that.

right ok, so if I'm on your case about that one post regarding what you knew about SVH, and then you say that MrRyals kept bringing it up...
then when i ask what he keeps bringing up, you quote something which detracts from my original question and has nothing to do with it what-so-ever...

Day 1 lasts for ever, the longer it goes on the easier it is for a quick bandwaggon due to someone not posting enough through circumstances, the mafia await for moments like that and pounce. I believe if we look through the YorkshireBlue votes and unvotes, we will more than likely weed out the mafia...

@bluestars A serial killer is out for themselves and is a threat to both Town and Mafia, a Vigilante is out for the good of the town, although they may make mistakes and take out the wrong peeps, they are still looking for a town win. There is a Huge Difference. 

[bluestarsneyes]

okay thanks for clearing that up but I still have reservations about voting at this exact moment. If that holds true that vigilante can kill but work for town, then the death of Steven looks to be vigilante...UNLESS it was a serial killer than knew Steven would figure him out. So...based on that it makes me confused! Not sure what to think....want others to post before I vote for anyone.

[Happy Axeman]

Here we go...
         the Yorkshire Blue voting Enquiry
              by HappyAxeman

after the Death of the Mafia godfather, we can now see he cleary instigates the YorkshireBlue lynching. And there is a lot we can learn from it...

Up until page ten no-one had voted for him, the Godfather then Marks his target....

I'm going to Vote Yorkshireblue, he's playing a very quiet game thus far..

onto the botton of Page 11, with Wes's first contribution since the Godfather placed the mark, Wes Desides to follow his leader and make it 2 votes

I have now made my mind up that im going to VOTE Yorkshire Blue my reasons are this the aim of the game is to try to find out whos evil and whos not, Yes?. Now YB has fail to post not a lot and for me, how can you judge someone or like someone without really knowing them. My vote may change as there is some one else who's a concern but at the min its yorkshire blue.

Immediatly after that, Laserblue turns up and adds another putting Yorkshire ahead of afro with 3 votes.. normaly we could guess this was a mafia bandwaggon but Laser was killed so it proves he really was just irritated...

Right I've had enough of waiting on yorkshire now  ....if the guys not going to play then I might as well do him a favour & vote for him  vote Yorkshire

then on Page 13 Afroboy turns up and wades in with the 4th vote putting a 2 vote distance between himself and Yorkshire, Whilst also ensuring the mafia bandwaggon continued...

Vote yorkshire for not much contribution at all apart from voting bluestars which i thinks weird. Also I'd like this game to be full of people who are posting very regular instead of ending up wid lots of ppl who don't post much at all.

Why is it weird? he was a townie and had no knowledge she is townie or mafia. that put bluestars on 2 votes...

then on page 14, our curious little fellow Mophead wades in with another vote for yorkshire to make it 5...

Well i have made my mind to go with yorkiblue. And its not because he ha more votes. Its because he isn't contributing to the game. And if he doesn't, we are going to be here forever waisting our time on one guy that wont post. So VOTE YORKSHIREBLUE

on the same page, knowing i'm good StevenRyals trys to side with me gaining brownie points and retracts his vote for Yorkshire, thus hopefully resolving the Godfather from any future responsibilty after task is more or less acomplished...

to be honest, I'm feeling the same as axeman at this moment, seems like this is an easy target for the mafia.. he's playing like yorkshire blue.. same as last game.. we have to decide if he's playing this way due to his role, or is this just how he plays???  I'm not sure either way.. 
as for me, I'm going to unvote yorkshireblue because I think that we may be making a mistake..  I dont think he has a high ranking role because surely he'd be defending himself more if he did.. eitherway, i think there are better targets..

then a few posts later bluestars hits in with a vote for Yorkshire...
Mafia tactic to keep the vote count up?

VOTE YORKSHIREBLUE

Click the quote link, its too long to post in this!

then onto page 16 and our curious little Mophead trys to make another vote on Yorkshire!

Right now mikeblue is kinda suspicous to me right now. It seems like all hes doing is trying to keep himself out of the line fire. But then again only 4 posts for yorkshire blue is pretty stupid of himself and im afraid that hes about to blow one of us up. So if he blows any of you up. Dont say that you werent warned by me. And Steve, sorry to say this, but, i think if he is going to blow somebody up....thats its going to you.

VOTE YORKSHIREBLUE

at that point everyone should of been retracting there vote and voting Mophead, yet the only person to do so was infact Mophead on page 17!

Huh sounds like you are all sticking together. Isnt that wat mafia do at night. Or should i say wat you do at night young afroboy. mmmmmmaaaaaaaffffff ffiiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaa aaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!      run from afroboy hes going to shoot you with a P90!!!!!!!!!!!!!   AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHH EEEEEEEEEEVVVVVVVVV VVVVIIIIIIIIIIIIIIL LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

UNVOTE YORKSHIRE BLUE VOTE AFROBOY

Maybe young mophead has lost his marbles, maybe he needs that cause he's a genius - or a cop?  lol
but either way, Yorkshire should never of been up for straight forward lynch after mopheads outbursts...

StevenRyals = Magneto/Godfather
WesMancity = ?/Mafia - I'm Sure of it.
Laserblue = Rogue/Mason
Afroboy = ?/Mafia? - Not 100%, but I am leaning towards him for sure.
Mophead = ?/? I really dont know know what he is!!!
Bluestars = ?/Mafia? Not sure - I think she could be another caught up in it all.

and that is the review of Yorkshire's lynch. I hope it was helpful.

[bluestarsneyes]

Look back, I had not VOTED for him until he came on and voted for me based on what the Godfather made up..I voted for him because I felt that I had to!
and he then zulu on his vote for me, then stevenryals was of course putting doubt about me...so my choices were to let the voting keep going for me or tit for tat vote...at the time our votes were tied or even....anyway....I only have as my evidence that I'm not mafia that Stevenryals was not a fan of me and kept on me good and I'll post all his little snide comments to back it up....I felt it was actually me that was about to get the bandwagon, but instead because yorkshireblue posted less he'd have been an easier target and not that many votes to get off....I think mafia chose him over me.

Either way....I'm tired of defending myself...lol...I feel I keep saying the same thing over and over again and at this point there are many others that voted for yorkshire...but to me the way he posted did the town no favors in figuring out he was safe....so that being said...I'm not basing my vote on who voted for yorkshireblue ALONE....I'm going to add up all the pieces...what is best for town....who had most to gain from steven being dead other than us townies....and then vote....but at this moment does look like Wes had most to gain...mophead and afro...not sure...