Mafia 10 - Back to the old school....or is it...

[Evil Weasel]

they figured out he was a werewolf

But how? I don't think there's a "mafia werewolf investigator" role (unless of course, it's hidden and a secret), so if they killed him because they were threatened, it must have been because of something he did in the day. That is, if feeling a threat was in fact the reason.

[hippo]

Okay, i'm not happy with people ignoring the one major thing we have to work with. It's not who was suspecting afroboy or whatever, because if you can work out somebody who it might be from that, then more likely than not it's a set up. Unless we have a really really stupid mafia, or someone finds an ingenius way to work it out.

When an innocent is slaughtered on day one in such a bandwagon, you will find the majority of evil people on it. Thus, we should be focusing on the following people:

Happy Axeman, Amadjin, Evil Weasel, Afroboy, StevenRyals, Miasg, Tommy Catons Hair, Laserblue

The fact that afroboy is dead and was on this bandwagon only enhances this point. Laserblue i'm not sure about, i don't think somebody evil would jump on the bandwagon of an innocent once the lynch was already clinched - it just seems too much like they weren't really conscious of what they were doing, and that itself suggests (probable) innocence.

- Axeman's vote to splinter skel came shortly after i posted something accusing him. Diversary tactics.

- Amadjin i'll read up about, but being the second vote on somebody isn't something that's really usable. It's not something that can be really used against him, but there might be other things.

- Evil Weasel is the one i suggest mostly out of these people. The first thing he did votewise in the game was go for splinter skel:

I say we see what Splinter has to say for himself, since he's new.

Vote: Splinter Skel

As an evil person, you go after the weak during the day, and the strong during the night.. usually. Who's weaker than the person who hasn't played the game before and isn't posting? He jumped on the opportunity within a few posts of splinter being suggested as a possible lynch. And then when a replacement was being looked for, he paniced, and posted:

Well just save the need of finding a replacement by removing him alltogether so we can get on with the game.

Why would someone be that keen for an innocent to be lynched unless they were evil?

- Stevenryals like i've said before is playing a bizarre game, but i don't suspect him as much anymore. I don't think somebody evil would have drawn so much attention to themselves. But not to be ruled out as evil, because of his suspiciousness previously, and his presence on this list.

- Miasg has been involved in practically everything, and i havent paid much attention to their whole disagreement because none of the stuff used to accuse them seemed relevant. This is relevant though, so if somebody else wants to find the evidence against them, i'll happily listen.

- Tommy Catons has defended amadjin once already, and they're both on this list. Coincidence?

Afroboy seems like a properly random kill. I've read through and he mentioned me, stevenryals, currieman, miasg and called yorkshire pointless or something. Miasg and him had a proper argument type thing - it's surely too obvious?

If you asked me to pick out the four remaining evil people at this point. I would go for:

Tommy Caton
Evil Weasel
Happy Axeman (can't prove it 100% so don't post one of your things asking me to)
Currieman

[MIASG]

  lol yeah I thought the bastard was evil .. thanks to the mafia for killing him

Amadjin always voting for me - any excuse really .. I'm a townie so I can't read into the thoughts of the mafia who targeted me.  Put it this way - if I was mafia would I kill the person that only I voted for and thought was evil ?  not likely - plus I'd have to convince someone else.  maybe it was an educated guess from the mafia to get a werewolf or just to target me .. maybe 2 birds with one stone .. I know I'm not an evil party so I can only go at the main aggressor VOTE AMADJIN.  Currieman's bandwagon may have been a bit too quick so the jury is still out if your in cohoots with amadjin .. maybe you two are werewolves going after who you believe killed your mate ??

[Evil Weasel]

As an evil person, you go after the weak during the day, and the strong during the night.. usually. Who's weaker than the person who hasn't played the game before and isn't posting? He jumped on the opportunity within a few posts of splinter being suggested as a possible lynch.

Umm, I was voting so the game would start up. It's a common tradition to throw around votes at the beginning to see what responses are, because at that point no player has anything to work with since the game's just started. So yeah, getting an inactive player out of hiding and making him post would make it easier to make decisions. In that way voting Splinter was completely logical. You seem way to aggressive with your accusations and if you're trying to deflect notice away from yourself you've failed, because:

Notice how you're jumping on the fact that you did not vote for Splinter Skel? That makes you a bit suspicious. It would be logical for you not to vote for the obvious lynch, since you could blather about it later. I'm sure it's a pretty common Mafia trick to deliberately avoid voting for the eventual lynched player just to point it out later at a convienient time and go "see!".

As for the rest: Axeman ---> Should add the fact that he's been a bit quiet lately. It unerves me, since people know that a silent player can SOMETIMES be left out of the equation.

Miasg--> Like you, did not vote for Splinter, and for the same reason should be considered suspicious. He's one of the few people a part from Hippo that did not vote for him, possible link here between the two but would they really be so stupid as to BOTH not vote for him?

Laserblue --> Hmmm dunno what to say about him, but some gut instinct tells me he's suspicious. He's posted well...unprofoundly a few times and lurks over the board (I've seen him on the "on-line" list here). Very creepy. And in fact, even though I'm highly suspicious of Hippo too, I'll have to vote for him.

Vote: Laserblue

[Evil Weasel]

Like you, did not vote for Splinter ---> Typo, should have used the third person. Meant "Like Hippo". Mistake made because I was originally adressing myself to Hippo in the first paragraph but then adressed everyone in general.

[MIASG]

Miasg--> Like you, did not vote for Splinter, and for the same reason should be considered suspicious. He's one of the few people a part from Hippo that did not vote for him, possible link here between the two but would they really be so stupid as to BOTH not vote for him?

looks like I did vote splinter for the obvious reason - not contributing and possibly being replaced.

well he's not contributing and that's enough for me on day 1 but I'm still suspicious on afroboy .. your just suss dude
Unvote Afroboy
Vote Splinter Skel
what's the go with this Sir Hammer? has Splinter Skel said he can't contribute?

so what are you on about ??

[Evil Weasel]

D'oh didn't read properly. Suspicion removed, to a certain extent.

[i2i Killer 89]

Currieman's bandwagon may have been a bit too quick so the jury is still out if your in cohoots with amadjin .. maybe you two are werewolves going after who you believe killed your mate ??

Sorry what are you going on about?

I have just voted for the people that I find suspicious. You can't have a bandwagon unless lots of people jump onboard, like what happened with Splinter.

Therefore your statement is completely false and looks to me like you're just trying to stir shit about me as I haven't started any bandwagons. I've just voted for the people that I find suspicious.

[laserblue]

Ok looks like I may have been wrong about Miasg suppose it would be a pretty dumb thing for him to have killed off the person he was arguing the most.

Oh & by the way Mias ..... Afroboy isn't a bastard.........I'm his Dad

still not so sure about Tommy though?

& Weasel can you explain the reason for voting for me other than a gut instinct..... where did that come from, is it that you want to distract attention from yourself?

[Evil Weasel]

Wait which bandwagon did Currieman start?

& Weasel can you explain the reason for voting for me other than a gut instinct..... where did that come from, is it that you want to distract attention from yourself?

I did explain in fact. You're too shadowy man. You've posted only a few times (more times than some I'll admit) but you're just so innocent looking and unassuming that it's probable that you're a mafia man just doing a good job of staying out of the spotlight. So, why don't you explain to my why I shouldn't vote for you?

[Tommy Caton's Hairstylist]

to answer your questions about changing my vote before 24 hours, i posted before Hammer's post about finding a replacement for splintskeil which indicated that he would not be coming back to play. I felt getting a replacement who would be sitting on 6 votes an almost impossible place to return from and also felt the game needed to move forward, so i voted before the 24 hours as the situation had changed. Someone else voted after me anyway so it wound up that he had 8 votes all up.

On another side, which may get me lynched, i'm off on hols on sat for 3 weeks to Canada and the US skiing etc so my posting will be a bit sporadic as i will not have pc access daily as i have here at work and home. So if you feel i'm not contributing properly then you can treat me the same way as splinterskeil  fairs fair. But i will post something when i do get to a pc.

[Evil Weasel]

Hey have fun in Canada eh!

[MIASG]

Sorry what are you going on about?

I have just voted for the people that I find suspicious. You can't have a bandwagon unless lots of people jump onboard, like what happened with Splinter.

Therefore your statement is completely false and looks to me like you're just trying to stir shit about me as I haven't started any bandwagons. I've just voted for the people that I find suspicious.

yeah I didn't mean the "voting" bandwagon just the "agreeing" bandwagon

On another side, which may get me lynched, i'm off on hols on sat for 3 weeks to Canada and the US skiing etc so my posting will be a bit sporadic as i will not have pc access daily as i have here at work and home. So if you feel i'm not contributing properly then you can treat me the same way as splinterskeil  fairs fair. But i will post something when i do get to a pc.

were you actually contributing before   

apologies to afroboy and laserblue about the bastard remark - it wasn't ment to be offensive - I'm australian so we use it alot more over here in a jokey fashion. 

[Tommy Caton's Hairstylist]

contributing yes, but meaningful and useful not many seemed to think so 


bastard's nothing, you should here what people call miasg at work 

Hey have fun in Canada eh!

can't wait 2 weeks in Banff, should be a blast and 4 days in LA

 

[laserblue]

"Hey have fun in Canada eh! "

Yeh man have a good time, even though I still think your a bit sus

no worries miasg I knew you didn't mean it that way ....just messin. 

Weasel ....."You've posted only a few times" What   thats just silly 

[hippo]

Umm, I was voting so the game would start up. It's a common tradition to throw around votes at the beginning to see what responses are, because at that point no player has anything to work with since the game's just started. So yeah, getting an inactive player out of hiding and making him post would make it easier to make decisions. In that way voting Splinter was completely logical. You seem way to aggressive with your accusations and if you're trying to deflect notice away from yourself you've failed, because:

Notice how you're jumping on the fact that you did not vote for Splinter Skel? That makes you a bit suspicious. It would be logical for you not to vote for the obvious lynch, since you could blather about it later. I'm sure it's a pretty common Mafia trick to deliberately avoid voting for the eventual lynched player just to point it out later at a convienient time and go "see!".

Notice how you haven't actually defended why you thought it necessary to convince people to lynch a townie who had a replacement being lined up? And notice how you're saying that you don't think evil people will be on the bandwagoning of a townie, when it's already proven that one at least was?

The bandwagon took about 40 hours from start to finish, i didn't check the game during that period, if i had - and anyone who's played this with me before will know - i would have spoken out about the ridiculousness of it all. Yes, someone will have deliberately stayed off it, hence my vote currently being on somebody who wasn't on it.

If you genuinely think i'm suspicious, then i think that says a lot about yourself. I'm pretty much the only one going in to any depth about EVERYONE who does anything suspicious, rather than getting involved in little disputes with a limited amount of people. You need to keep an open mind about everyone in the game (if you're a townie).

[hippo]

Posted twice in a row deliberately here because i felt this point important and didn't want it lost and not read towards the end of a long post.

A few people mentioned in day one how yorkshire blue was being allowed to slip under the radar. He was very defensive early on too. He only seems to post, as stevenryals pointed out on day one, when somebody has just voted for him - which he hilariously decided to prove by posting straight away after. It was he who had the most votes when axeman instigated the movement against splinter skel, and looked probably the most likely to get lynched. And once again, he is being allowed to slip under the radar.

Afroboy, who was killed, was the first person to actually point out the suspiciousness of this. And i don't think that's an obvious enough thing to indicate that it's a set up. The mafia might have thought something along the lines of "we can get rid of somebody who could be a problem, and easily pin it on miasg because of their argument". I do somehow get the feeling that miasg and afroboys falling out was a little contrived though, and is probably just to make people think miasg is innocent, and not at all the other werewolf. It just didn't seem natural.

2 mafia, 2 werewolves, 6 townies. We've still got the power if we just think about what we're doing a little. No jumping on ridiculously quick bandwagons, because they're more than likely to be evil.

Anyway, i'm more satisfied that yorkshire is the evil one sitting off that bandwagon, than currieman being that person. So i'll change my vote.

unvote currieman
vote yorkshire blue

[froganomis]

ryals...i think theres something fishy going on there....he says he's town,and he wont be posting much,yet no1 tried to kill him last night to our knowledge (town)

maybe he is town and the evil folks are keeping him in as an easy target for later in the game,but i think that would be too easy,also no-ones really focused on why he might be repeatedly stating his innocence

Unvote whoever i voted,vote steveryals

[yorkshire blue]

yes here i am again after been voted for but this is the first chance i have had to post and it just happens to be when someones just voted for me but i have started to post more often anyway

to answer your questions about changing my vote before 24 hours, i posted before Hammer's post about finding a replacement for splintskeil which indicated that he would not be coming back to play. I felt getting a replacement who would be sitting on 6 votes an almost impossible place to return from and also felt the game needed to move forward, so i voted before the 24 hours as the situation had changed. Someone else voted after me anyway so it wound up that he had 8 votes all up.

On another side, which may get me lynched, i'm off on hols on sat for 3 weeks to Canada and the US skiing etc so my posting will be a bit sporadic as i will not have pc access daily as i have here at work and home. So if you feel i'm not contributing properly then you can treat me the same way as splinterskeil  fairs fair. But i will post something when i do get to a pc.

it woulldnt have speeded the game up much we would have had to wait one more night. you still said that you was going to give him 24 hours and someone else voted so it dont matter anyway he still would have been killed off. just sounds like a eay way to get out of it there was some that found you suspicous on the first day including myself

Posted twice in a row deliberately here because i felt this point important and didn't want it lost and not read towards the end of a long post.

A few people mentioned in day one how yorkshire blue was being allowed to slip under the radar. He was very defensive early on too. He only seems to post, as stevenryals pointed out on day one, when somebody has just voted for him - which he hilariously decided to prove by posting straight away after. It was he who had the most votes when axeman instigated the movement against splinter skel, and looked probably the most likely to get lynched. And once again, he is being allowed to slip under the radar.

Afroboy, who was killed, was the first person to actually point out the suspiciousness of this. And i don't think that's an obvious enough thing to indicate that it's a set up. The mafia might have thought something along the lines of "we can get rid of somebody who could be a problem, and easily pin it on miasg because of their argument". I do somehow get the feeling that miasg and afroboys falling out was a little contrived though, and is probably just to make people think miasg is innocent, and not at all the other werewolf. It just didn't seem natural.

2 mafia, 2 werewolves, 6 townies. We've still got the power if we just think about what we're doing a little. No jumping on ridiculously quick bandwagons, because they're more than likely to be evil.

Anyway, i'm more satisfied that yorkshire is the evil one sitting off that bandwagon, than currieman being that person. So i'll change my vote.

unvote currieman
vote yorkshire blue

how am i begening to slip off the radar again you keep throwing these names about that werent on the bandwagonand how are you going to into depth about everyone just cos i posted since yesterday why not vote axeman for not posting his he evil too
vote hippo

[Happy Axeman]

- Axeman's vote to splinter skel came shortly after i posted something accusing him. Diversary tactics.

Axeman ---> Should add the fact that he's been a bit quiet lately. It unerves me, since people know that a silent player can SOMETIMES be left out of the equation

maybe people should get there facts right first.
1) If anyone had bothered to check my profile, you will of found out that i hadnt been online for about 5 days or more due to work and other commitments, so how the fuck am I supposed to post and read whats going on if i'm not online? 
2) Splinter skel is my friend, I asked him why he wasnt posting/playing, he said he kept forgetting and generally couldnt be arsed. so I took it on myself to vote for him.
so anyone assuming i setup a bandwaggon then your an ASS... if the people following my vote got him lynched, then i havent bandwaggoned anyone, if you cant see that, then your thick. 

at the recent city vs wigan match,Afroboy was saying how much he was looking forward to this game, but unfortunatley for him and the werewolves(but fortunate for us), he was killed in the first night.
I'm trying to work out who wanted him dead, as its not as if he did anything wrong or threatening. 

the one person I am increasingly becoming suspicious off is hippo, he seems to be very aggressive and throwing votes and accusations like there is no tommorrow, if had been doing that, he would of jumped on me saying i was evil for trying too hard. 
can someone tell me what it is that makes me suspicious? cause i really dont understand what it is i have said that could be construed as dodgy? or is it just my lack of posting a million pointless posts? if its the posting then you may as well lynch me next, as i cant promise i will be posting lots and lots everyday as i just dont have the time anymore.