Mafia 8 - The Kingmaker - Assassins Victory

[hippo]

The cloaked figure that seems to randomly appear on occasion in this fair kingdom once again steps forward, "It seems you are struggling to come to a decision. A deadline of friday at 5pm shall be imposed for the king's execution order. If some activity occurs, or new evidence comes to light, then the king shall be given more time, but for now, friday 5pm is the deadline." Somebody begins to question the man, but before he finishes, he has disappeared back into the shadows.

And so the day continues.

Vote Count
dotLeo: yorkshireblue, sir hammer, fozza gump, laserblue (4)
Yorkshireblue: sir hammer, manic, steve van halen, Happy Axeman, amadjin (5)
Bluestarsneyes: sir hammer, fozza gump, Happy Axeman, yorkshireblue, steve van halen (5)
Amadjin: bluestarsneyes, Happy Axeman (2)
Sir Hammer: yorkshireblue, billyman, steve van halen, yorkshireblue (4)
Happy Axeman: bluestarsneyes, sir hammer, amadjin (3)
Manic: fozza gump, billyman, steve van halen (3)
Steve Van Halen: manic, Sir Hammer, yorkshireblue, afroboy, Happy Axeman (5)
Billyman: Sir Hammer, Happy Axeman (2)
Quigmaster: Sir Hammer, laserblue, Happy Axeman, amadjin (4)
afroboy: steve van halen, sir hammer (2)
mo1ey: yorkshireblue, amadjin (2)
fozza: Happy Axeman (1)
ChurchofHalo: amadjin (1)

Red indicates players selected as potentials for execution by the king.

[fozza gump zzz]

Programmin bored me to shit to so thats why i quit uni. its all lies. its a misconception of the youthful mind. i'm at work. not much to do so thought i'd give a quick post to let you know i'm still alive.  Thanks for the vote Xeman. Ur a top man. i feel special now i'm not the only one who wasn't on the list. I've got votes in for bluestars and dotleo. i'll stick with them for now. one of the ba''[./rds is guilty

[dotLeo]

y am i on the list what have i done and wheres dotleo he aint posted for ages and when he does there one line posts and crap

That is partly why I said get rid of yorkshire.  Pots, kettles, and dark colours?

i feel special now i'm not the only one who wasn't on the list. I've got votes in for bluestars and dotleo. i'll stick with them for now. one of the ba''[./rds is guilty

By that logic bluestars must be guilty then, as I am a merely an ordinary citizen of the town. 

[Happy Axeman]

Soz ive been absent for a day again, working is a bitch. 

no worries fozza.  but i do actually think you may be mafia, dunno why, i jsut do.

it appears I am the only one who doesnt think Dotleo is an assassin. this is the last time i will say it, but i have a very strong feeling that lynching him at this moment will be a very big mistake. 

I'm also not sure about Bluestars anymore. I think she may well be a townie. 

Afroboy has suddenly caught my eye with his retorts back to people voting him, and yorkshire blue continues to look dodgy, but he is another i'm struggling to decipher what his alignment is through his posting style. 

I still think theres something not right about SVH

Churchy is making my alarm bells ring, but he always does on the first few days. So i couldnt be confident about him either. 

[bluestarsneyes]

dotleo....your post just confused me....how do you figure by that quote you posted that makes me guilty?
I'm just not understanding at all?
and what the heck do you mean by Pots, Kettles and whatever for yorkshire's post?
sorry...is that some kind of expression or something? you just totally confused me?

[Sir Villain]

Thats 7 pretty vague opinions on different people. Your constant defending of Dotleo seems a bit odd. Are you virtually claiming cop with an innocent on Dotleo now, otherwise why so sure?

What makes you think Bluestars is a townie because from here she is looking guilty?

We have a deadline that ends at Friday 5PM unless discussion starts again.

It seems there are 6 candidates on a List of Execution. Here are my thoughts on those in red...

Bluestars - Yesterday, constantly chirping away at the rules when most have agreed that they are a good suggestion. Person most likely to kill Steven. Steven suspected her (jokingly perhaps). Slipped up by saying she was not Anti-Assassin. Last few posts have seemed very scummy to me, with constant self belittlement and use of the old chestnut "I'll be laughing when you see you have got it wrong". Lynching her would tell us alot potentially about Afroboy's alignment which is why I think this should be the choice for today.

Dotleo - Seemed quick to suggest a lynch on Yorkshire. Wording of "even if good" seems a bit strange for a Pro-Towner. Seems bloodthirsty in every post as noted by Fozza. Panicked into accusing Afroboy when he hadn't even voted him. Bit defensive. All I say is perhaps the lady doth protest too much. Axeman seems to think he is innocent although not really said any real reasons why. Lynching him would tell us abit potentially about Axeman's alignment.

Afroboy - Playing well until suddenly changing his mind quickly when Bluestars came under pressure. Recent posts looking scummy.

Yorkshire, Billyman and Quigmaster - All equally useless so far. Yorkshire for killing an innocent and not listening to my ideas. Look how good that did us? Constantly offering nothing except for calling out people for not posting when his own is rare and rarely helpful. Billyman has not really done anything that I can remember. Quigmaster is just a poor player and seems more focused on me getting lynched than a Mafia member. All three could be assassins, but just as easily could be town. The games no worse of without them.

One of the top 3 please. Preferably Bluestars. Might as well use all the time til Friday to decide and see if they have anything else to say.


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Bluestars posted during mine. In answer to her post:

Fozza said one of you and Dotleo are mafia.
Leo implied that because he knew he was innocent or is claiming to be, then you must be the guilty one.

The pot calling the kettle black

Is an old saying meaning like "you cant slag of those who are the same or worse as you in regards to whatever your slagging off" type of thing. Like Jose Mourihno saying Alex Ferguson has a shit coat, or you accusing Dotleo of looking like Mafia.

[bluestarsneyes]

Hammer....I am convinced.....

you have made your choices based on the following....

anyone that opposes your viewpoints....you even say it in regards to Afroboy and yorkshire...you say you vote for Afroboy because he sort of said something in defense of me...and in my opinion as the one on the chopping block it was simple game talking out of his ideas about me...just as others have shared....I do not really remember him out right defending me

yorkshire you say you want to vote him off because he opposed your ideas....when in the last night? No HE DID NOT go look at your voting record...he killed off Tommy and that is WHO YOU VOTED for....so explain to me how HE went against what you thought?
HUH? You said Tommy was on your list....and the voting proves it....

and the most laughable thing you have to say about me is I am chirping away defending myself.....heck yes I am....whether you regard that or innoncent or guilty I give a rip anymore....you post your living brains off on this board...and do not critize me for posting to defend myself.

And hey Hammer you left off a few others that sort of defended me....so go back and review...I would hate for you to miss any other people you can add to your list and since when did this game be about Hammer taking me out...where is the king.


King...question me....town question me...I do not care...but I am a little tired of Hammer railing on me all day....just get it on with....you think I am guilty...fine....wh y are you still talking

[yorkshire blue]

i might not be posting much but there was another short pointless post by dotleo he is looking most suspicous to me and hammer how can u say that i dont post alot i have posted often in this game and there is alot who have posted less

i dunno about bluestars it looked she was trying to defend me in last post im going to leave my vote on her though cos she just might be doing that to make me take my vote off her

[bluestarsneyes]

no I wasn't asking for you to change your vote or defending you...simply making the point
that Hammer's reason for voting for you revolves around the fact you didn't
"follow his guidelines" and my point was that he is one of the ones that Voted for
Tommy and for Steven for that fact and how can he say his guidelines would have
mattered if he was going to put in a vote for an innoncent person anyway? and then
blame you that you killed Tommy....he has as much blame in my opinion....he
just likes to point the finger at me...but to date the facts stands....he VOTED
for Tommy and for Steven...both innoncent both dead...period....
I never voted for either...that's my only point

[*Afroboy*]

Please, who ever is cop investigate me, I am begging you, please prove my innocence, thats all i have to say

[*Afroboy*]

Oh one more thing, happy axeman could be one of two things, a cop who has investigated dotleo OR a mafia who is trying to look like a cop but is actually protecting his fellow mafia.

[dotLeo]

Hammer....you have made your choices based on the following....

anyone that opposes your viewpoints....you even say it in regards to Afroboy and yorkshire...you say you vote for Afroboy because he sort of said something in defense of me...and in my opinion as the one on the chopping block it was simple game talking out of his ideas about me...just as others have shared....I do not really remember him out right defending me

Disagree, I was in favour of the guidelines, and little of what hammer says I don't agree with at face value - it all makes sense, even the bits about me.  However, just because his reasoning is logical does not mean that his argument is correct.

it appears I am the only one who doesnt think Dotleo is an assassin. this is the last time i will say it, but i have a very strong feeling that lynching him at this moment will be a very big mistake. 

I didn't want to say it before because it is effectively outing the cop (or similar useful role), but because Axeman is so certain of my innoncence and we have had no correspondence, I am sure that he must have some investiagative powers. 

Dotleo - Seemed quick to suggest a lynch on Yorkshire. Wording of "even if good" seems a bit strange for a Pro-Towner. Seems bloodthirsty in every post as noted by Fozza. Panicked into accusing Afroboy when he hadn't even voted him. Bit defensive. All I say is perhaps the lady doth protest too much. Axeman seems to think he is innocent although not really said any real reasons why. Lynching him would tell us abit potentially about Axeman's alignment.

I have adequately explained my reasons for the above, if people choose to overlook these posts, or not believe them, so be it, I feel no need to defend myself further.  Lynching me would prove that Axeman is good, but I think you would be wise not to, given that the town would be another member down. 

Oh one more thing, happy axeman could be one of two things, a cop who has investigated dotleo OR a mafia who is trying to look like a cop but is actually protecting his fellow mafia.

How likely is it to be the latter? If and when I am lynched, and if I were to be shown as mafia, Axeman would automatically be declared mafia too after such a strong defence of me.  Given that it is a real possibility that I could be lynched and he still continues to be vociforous in his defence of me, I say it was about the worst possible move he could make if we were mafia. 

[i2i Killer 89]

Yeah, I am not so sure about Dotleo's guiltyness (Is that a word?) now.

If Axeman and Dotleo were both evil and Dotleo was lynched then it would almost certainly prove that Axeman is evil and that would be a stupid thing for Axeman to claim.

If Axeman is a cop and knows that Dotleo is innocent then that is enough for me.

However, if Axeman and Dotleo were really clever and were both evil then they could have Axeman defend Dotleo like he has done so that, through reverse psychology, everyone would think that Axeman is innocent.

But that would be very risky so I think I'll take Dotleo off the list.

It comes to my attention that Bluestars and Yorkshire have the most votes with Quig close behind.
Personally I am still not sure about Bluestars. She may well be evil and have slipped up but I think it was just stupidity because if she was evil she'd probably check her posts incase of slip-ups.
Yorkshire is quite suspicious to me because he hasn't posted that much on day 2 and I just think his posts are a little pointless and it's as if he's only posting so that he can look like a townie. Also his execution of Tommy was very quick and it was either a mistake (if he's a townie) or he did it so that it could like a mistake (if he's evil)
Quig is obviously not here so killing him is a bit pointless as he won't be able to say anything to defend himself. But that doesn't mean he's not evil.
Billyman is also suspicious to me as he has rarely posted. He may just be not posting much but were he evil he could just be lurking and trying not to attract any attention to himself.

So I think I have narrowed it down to the list of Bluestars, Yorkshire and Billyman.
I will wait for people to cast more votes and if a clear majority has voted in favour of killing one of those 3 (9 votes was the majority wasn't it Hammer?) then I will execute them.

If there isn't a majority vote I will decide on Friday. Bear in mind however that just because those 3 are the only ones of the list doesn't mean that nobody else could join them.

P.S Just remembered that Manic is still playing! Where the hell is he!?

[*Afroboy*]

How likely is it to be the latter? If and when I am lynched, and if I were to be shown as mafia, Axeman would automatically be declared mafia too after such a strong defence of me.  Given that it is a real possibility that I could be lynched and he still continues to be vociforous in his defence of me, I say it was about the worst possible move he could make if we were mafia. 

To me this explains happy axeman is a cop and dotleo is some sort of innocent person.

The cloaked figure that seems to randomly appear on occasion in this fair kingdom once again steps forward, "It seems you are struggling to come to a decision. A deadline of friday at 5pm shall be imposed for the king's execution order. If some activity occurs, or new evidence comes to light, then the king shall be given more time, but for now, friday 5pm is the deadline." Somebody begins to question the man, but before he finishes, he has disappeared back into the shadows.

And so the day continues.

Somebody begins to question the man, but before he finishes, he has disappeared back into the shadows

Maybe hippo is trying to give us some sort of clue here, if you look on page 20 which is just before hippos post yorkshire briefly came on and posted twice and then disappeared again, suspicious ey.

Currieman you didn't mention me then.... does this mean i'm off the list?? if not then please can i have your thoughts, thanks.

[Sir Villain]

to mafiaqueenbluestars

you have made your choices based on the following....

anyone that opposes your viewpoints....you even say it in regards to Afroboy and yorkshire...you say you vote for Afroboy because he sort of said something in defense of me...and in my opinion as the one on the chopping block it was simple game talking out of his ideas about me...just as others have shared....I do not really remember him out right defending me

This seems to be like a defence.

There's alot of votes flying about lately, there just seems to be a big row over bluestars, apart from what she said about anti-assasin she hasn't actuallly done much wrong, she is posting quite regularly.

Considering only a few posts before he had said this

Good Claim hammer, it does make clear sense, top of my suspision list are SVH and bluestars at the moment.

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yorkshire you say you want to vote him off because he opposed your ideas....when in the last night? No HE DID NOT go look at your voting record...he killed off Tommy and that is WHO YOU VOTED for....so explain to me how HE went against what you thought?
HUH? You said Tommy was on your list....and the voting proves it....

Sorry to ruin it, but your have not quite caught me out as much as you think you have.
I put some speculative evidence against Tommy. I voted for Tommy. I voted for alot of people. I didn't want them to be quickly lynched without a proper chance to defend themselves. This is what Yorkshire did. At that point we still had alot of people not posting so he could have waited.
When I say he went against my ideas I mean he refused to accept that the "golden guidlines" at all.
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and the most laughable thing you have to say about me is I am chirping away defending myself.....heck yes I am....whether you regard that or innoncent or guilty I give a rip anymore....you post your living brains off on this board...and do not critize me for posting to defend myself.

And hey Hammer you left off a few others that sort of defended me....so go back and review...I would hate for you to miss any other people you can add to your list and since when did this game be about Hammer taking me out...where is the king.

King...question me....town question me...I do not care...but I am a little tired of Hammer railing on me all day....just get it on with....you think I am guilty...fine....wh y are you still talking

Right so down your telling me not to post? Maybe I have hit a nerve? Reactions are one of the main things to go on this early in a game so thats why im still talking. Maybe you and your mafia cronies should have took me out last night.
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to scurrydotleo

1.Disagree, I was in favour of the guidelines, and little of what hammer says I don't agree with at face value - it all makes sense, even the bits about me.  However, just because his reasoning is logical does not mean that his argument is correct.

2.I have adequately explained my reasons for the above, if people choose to overlook these posts, or not believe them, so be it, I feel no need to defend myself further.  Lynching me would prove that Axeman is good, but I think you would be wise not to, given that the town would be another member down. 

3.How likely is it to be the latter? If and when I am lynched, and if I were to be shown as mafia, Axeman would automatically be declared mafia too after such a strong defence of me.  Given that it is a real possibility that I could be lynched and he still continues to be vociforous in his defence of me, I say it was about the worst possible move he could make if we were mafia. 

1. True
2. You have adequately explained your reasons, but im not sure yet if I believe them.
3. Yeah, it would appear to be quite silly if you both were Mafia. That actually why im starting to think you might not be as its the same between me and Moley. One wouldn't out the other

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to afroboy

1.To me this explains happy axeman is a cop and dotleo is some sort of innocent person.

2.Maybe hippo is trying to give us some sort of clue here, if you look on page 20 which is just before hippos post yorkshire briefly came on and posted twice and then disappeared again, suspicious ey.

3.Currieman you didn't mention me then.... does this mean i'm off the list?? if not then please can i have your thoughts, thanks.

1. Yeah, I guess thats whats been implied unless Axeman is just trying to lure the mafia into killing him leaving the real cop safe. Who knows? We can't really assume anything about the two of them at this point. Maybe he will clear it up next time hes on.

2. I wouldn't read into anything Hippo does. The mod isn't meant to give any type of clue and I have only done so once in the very first game when I said something about Monksie not posting. I think Hippo was just disapointed with the low quality of the posts during today until he set the deadline and people starting talking again.

3. I would say you shouldn't be lynched today because in my mind your guilt relies heavily on Bluestars. If she is guilty then so are you, vice-versa.


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Its hard to do actual real assignments when I can just stir things up all the time in here

[froganomis]

you do know that if happy was mafia he would also know who is innocent and could claim cop also...

[laserblue]

Unvote dotleo after Axemans post I'm prepared to give him the benefit of any doubt for now.

The other person I voted for was Quigmaster I know he is away & understand he can't defend himself at the mo but even before that he seemed to be avoiding getting involved.
he may have had a good reason but I think he needs to get involved more when he gets back.

I also said yorkshire was looking suspicious. I still think he looks like he is but not sure of his guiltiness (& yes it is a proper word Currieman, just think you spelt it wrong )


.....and finally.... Quote by currieman "P.S Just remembered that Manic is still playing! Where the hell is he!?"

I'd forgotten he was in the game..... theres no chance of him slipping up as he has hardly ever posted!
I think he needs to post or risk looking like he is guilty as sin.
 

 

[bluestarsneyes]

I've been going back looking at a few things...and I am confused....

1) Hammer if you are mason, and you say that Mo1ey is mason, then why on the first two vote counts did you vote for him?
Why wouldn't you have known he was a mason? What would be the purpose in voting for him and twice?

2) Why has Mo1ey NEVER voted for anyone...if he has please correct me...but I can't see he has EVER voted for anyone. If he is Mason and working with Hammer....why does he not vote to back up Hammer? Why do they not have the same votes?

3) Happy Axeman asserts that dotleo is 100% innoncent...he also said something that struck me....IF dotleo was assasinated it would be a BIG mistake.....made me think, assuming Axeman is telling the truth....what ROLE would be so important that it would be a BIG Mistake for the town? I can only figure maybe the Doc or Hero role...and if we kill off the hero...then the king will be killed (if my understanding is right) therefore assuming that the current king is innocent...we would be killing off two more innoncents....hmm.. .and if we kill off the Doc then we are taking away the ability to heal another valuable innoncent that might be targeted....so...no w it's making me think...

4) Assuming that Axeman is actually telling the truth, once again I go back and think now who is against him....and in the voting Sir Hammer and Amadjin and myself. I voted due to the fact that I noticed he had voted for Tommy and Steven.
So that being said....now the question in my mind is this...if Axeman is innoncent...why did he vote for Tommy and Steven...was it that he is lying now...or was playing a bad game on the first day?

5) Next question....in my mind...either Axeman and dotleo are guilty or Mo1ey and Hammer are guilty...because Hammer is voting against Axeman in prior votes I assume he thinks that Axeman is guilty...and he's made his case against dotleo...so now I go into thinking...is Hammer just mistaken and is now going to realize Axeman is innoncent and change his votes...or does he think Axeman is lying...or are they both evil and playing a good game and now have a way to sort of claim that Axeman is the cop and then giving Axeman, Hammer, Mo1ey and dotleo all a pass.

6) I know I'm innoncent....howeve r going back at the vote count looking at who has voted against me since the beginning....Sir Hammer has voted for me each time since the beginning....intere sting since he was voting for me before the typo and before Steven ever made jokes and hardly before the game began......I'd list the others that Sir Hammer has voted for...but the list is too long..so I'll list who he HASN't Voted for in the game so far....Amadjin, Currieman, laserblue and fozza.......
The people voting for me seem to have a few players in common that their votes all agree....bluestarsn eyes...Afroboy...yo rkshireblue....Quig master....Manic.... Billyman....

I'm thinking this...either Amadjin is assuming Hammer is a Mason and just votes with him or he is mafia with him....since he unvoted me all I can think of is that he is going along with Hammer and is actually innoncent

SVH...not sure on him either....his vote for me didn't even make any sense because he said it was because I was supicious of him...I hadn't mentioned him...so either he's mafia and just playing a good game...or lost....not sure at this point.

fozza...well he is convinced that dotleo is guilty...so either he is innoncent or dotleo in my mind...and since fozza also voted for Steven and Tommy I'm inclined to think he may be mafia....or either he is just lazy and isn't paying attention either

Hammer....he just confuses me...his prior voting..and his just pure conviction that I am guilty makes me more inclined to think my original hunches about him are right...he's off somehow....explain to me why Mo1ey doesn't vote...even if it is to vote for me and the ones you Hammer believe to be guilty? It doesn't make any sense...what's the point of him being in the game...he never posts and never votes....why? If he's mason why isn't he as active to help the town as you?

I'm still looking back....just trying to put it all out that I have been thinking about so if I go down then whoever in the town is left can draw some conclusions and hopefully I'll make it another day and we actually get a MAFIA killed this go around.

[Sir Villain]

1) Hammer if you are mason, and you say that Mo1ey is mason, then why on the first two vote counts did you vote for him?
Why wouldn't you have known he was a mason? What would be the purpose in voting for him and twice?

2) Why has Mo1ey NEVER voted for anyone...if he has please correct me...but I can't see he has EVER voted for anyone. If he is Mason and working with Hammer....why does he not vote to back up Hammer? Why do they not have the same votes?

3) Happy Axeman asserts that dotleo is 100% innoncent...he also said something that struck me....IF dotleo was assasinated it would be a BIG mistake.....made me think, assuming Axeman is telling the truth....what ROLE would be so important that it would be a BIG Mistake for the town? I can only figure maybe the Doc or Hero role...and if we kill off the hero...then the king will be killed (if my understanding is right) therefore assuming that the current king is innocent...we would be killing off two more innoncents....hmm.. .and if we kill off the Doc then we are taking away the ability to heal another valuable innoncent that might be targeted....so...no w it's making me think...

4) Assuming that Axeman is actually telling the truth, once again I go back and think now who is against him....and in the voting Sir Hammer and Amadjin and myself. I voted due to the fact that I noticed he had voted for Tommy and Steven.
So that being said....now the question in my mind is this...if Axeman is innoncent...why did he vote for Tommy and Steven...was it that he is lying now...or was playing a bad game on the first day?

5) Next question....in my mind...either Axeman and dotleo are guilty or Mo1ey and Hammer are guilty...because Hammer is voting against Axeman in prior votes I assume he thinks that Axeman is guilty...and he's made his case against dotleo...so now I go into thinking...is Hammer just mistaken and is now going to realize Axeman is innoncent and change his votes...or does he think Axeman is lying...or are they both evil and playing a good game and now have a way to sort of claim that Axeman is the cop and then giving Axeman, Hammer, Mo1ey and dotleo all a pass.

6) I know I'm innoncent....howeve r going back at the vote count looking at who has voted against me since the beginning....Sir Hammer has voted for me each time since the beginning....intere sting since he was voting for me before the typo and before Steven ever made jokes and hardly before the game began......I'd list the others that Sir Hammer has voted for...but the list is too long..so I'll list who he HASN't Voted for in the game so far....Amadjin, Currieman, laserblue and fozza.......
The people voting for me seem to have a few players in common that their votes all agree....bluestarsn eyes...Afroboy...yo rkshireblue....Quig master....Manic.... Billyman....

I'm thinking this...either Amadjin is assuming Hammer is a Mason and just votes with him or he is mafia with him....since he unvoted me all I can think of is that he is going along with Hammer and is actually innoncent

SVH...not sure on him either....his vote for me didn't even make any sense because he said it was because I was supicious of him...I hadn't mentioned him...so either he's mafia and just playing a good game...or lost....not sure at this point.

fozza...well he is convinced that dotleo is guilty...so either he is innoncent or dotleo in my mind...and since fozza also voted for Steven and Tommy I'm inclined to think he may be mafia....or either he is just lazy and isn't paying attention either

Hammer....he just confuses me...his prior voting..and his just pure conviction that I am guilty makes me more inclined to think my original hunches about him are right...he's off somehow....explain to me why Mo1ey doesn't vote...even if it is to vote for me and the ones you Hammer believe to be guilty? It doesn't make any sense...what's the point of him being in the game...he never posts and never votes....why? If he's mason why isn't he as active to help the town as you?

I'm still looking back....just trying to put it all out that I have been thinking about so if I go down then whoever in the town is left can draw some conclusions and hopefully I'll make it another day and we actually get a MAFIA killed this go around.

1. Simply because I wanted to vote for all the non-posters and it would look a bit suspicious if I left out Moley. At that point I had not revealed that we were masons so obviously I didn't want to leave an easy link for the Mafia to try and frame me woth.

2. Because he has not been very active at all. Its his first game and he is probably having trouble getting his head round it. He has backed me up on some occasions but really he has not done much else.

3. There is no possible legal way that Axeman knows Dotleos role unless he is a Mason or a Mafia member with him. Cop investigations are either innocent or guilty and don't give complete roles. I think he is just either being dramatic or just trying to get his point across by using BIG MISTAKE. The hero role is not really that helpful for the Town. I have already given my reasons why I think its a better role for the Mafia than for the Town.

4. He voted Steven and Tommy because he thought they looked suspicious on Day One. In hindsight we know they are innocent but obviously then it was all speculation.

5. Just because I vote people doesn't mean I think they are guilty. I use voting as a way to gauge reactions and to provoke non posters most of the time. People seem to be putting forward alot of very far-fetched intricate plans like Mafia claiming as Masons and Cops. This would be pretty poor play at this point, high-risk, low chance of high-reward type strategies. How would claiming Cop from Axeman be a free pass. He risks having the real cop investigate him. The real cop (if there is one) has probably investigated me last night and I think I know who that person is and no I am not going to out that person, nor should they out themselves until they have a few more investigations under there belt.

6. I have voted for people I think the most suspicious and to catch people out. I believe certain people have slipped up and acted in a way which me to points that they might be mafia, like with Afroboys quick rush to defend you. I will continue to do this until my team wins, the King foolishly executes me or the mafia finally kill me.

bluestarsneyes. ..Afroboy...yorkshi reblue....Quigmaste r....Manic ....Billyman....

You point out that me and a few others have all voted for these people. You say that maybe the people voting for these people must be linked. Is it not just more likely that all these people have either been very inactive (Manic, Billyman) or have made posts that seem mafia like (Bluestars admission of guilt, Afroboys quick flip-flop on Bluestars, Yorkshires quick execution, Quigmasters poor play in general).

[bluestarsneyes]

1) okay I can see how that might be possible.

2) well it's my first game too and you guys have been on my booty for every move I make...post too little post too much whatever...I guess he is smarter than me cause he'll probably last a little longer...but I think it is overstating it a bit that he has backed you up on a few occasions he has posted probably a total of 2 times...and all I can say is that if you are a Mason...then you need to get him to start backing you up....at the very least voting for people....it makes you look suspcious. I mean if I can get you to realize that I am town it would give us one more vote against the real mafia....so make him vote...even if it takes me out....I'll take my chances.

3) You know these rules a little better than I do..but I think you are right on that there is no way for him to KNOW he is innoncent unless he is either Mafia or Mason. Mafia I can see...but Mason...now if he says he is Mason...isn't that sort of saying that you and Mo1ey are not? Or is it possible to have four masons? It seems sort of unlikely to me...but I don't know. And why would he consider Mason so valuable...I thought basically a Mason knew if someone else was a Mason...so couldn't you tell us if you are a Mason whether he was or not?

4) well I guess that is an easy card to pull.

5) well that is something I guess i didn't expect in this game...that people would vote for someone just to guage their reaction. After playing for a few days now...I sort of get that kind of mentality. See your saying you were Mason so soon threw me off and to me it was like a red flag....of course that can both ways...either you are sly as a fox...or dumb as a rock...no offense.
I'm not sure Axeman claimed to be cop...I think Afroboy and a few others sort of thought he might be acting as cop. I don't think anyone should out their position at this point...it's still seems early...and I don't think it saves them...heck it makes me more supicious to be honest.

6) I don't get how you started voting for me right out of the box. I hardly said a thing...now I see why you are voting for me because you think it is going to dig my grave...well maybe...but I'm just here to say that I am innoncent and I think if you ARE Mason you are wasting ALOT of time on me...if you think I am Mafia....fine you have voted for me...so we agree to disagree...if we can agree on one thing....there is more than one Mafia....all I would like to ask from you at this point is to not give up looking into others as well.....I would like to do that too...if I go out...at least I want to find out the Mafia before I go....got to give Steven something to be proud of me for you know.

7) First off I didn't admit guilt you sneaky dude....I just meant to say I wasn't for the assasins...and totally mangled that one...whatever..... Afroboy's turn on me....heck surprised me...but he still hasn't outright defended me...but at this point I am thinking he's the only person in the game I sort of think is innoncent because he isn't voting for me and I know my role....so that's all I can say to that? I still think Yorkshire getting any flake for killing off Tommy by you is sort of ironic considering you voted for him...and so did Axeman and Amadjin....I mean you all got it wrong...and it was the first day...but are you saying what you want to vote for yorkshire for is that he did it quick meaning he didn't just say okay guys here's my short list? Because I thought he did and it was the first day....I'm not sure what to make of him....I would lean more toward innoncent and wanting to get the game going....but then again...I can see the rush vote being suspicious....along with the fact an innoncent got killed....

Quigmaster.....so why is it that someone can just quit playing because they have to go out of town or computer down or whatever and they don't get killed off...I mean to me it seems an easy play....start killing off the ones that don't post...take your chances...at least then we may find out something by who goes and then start with the ones that post...it just seems very unfair to kill off someone that is at least trying to play the game...although I'm not saying I'm voting for Quig I don't remember his situation for not playing much...but he's not the only one....there's many...Manic...and Billyman although I thought I saw him in the last day...not sure.... and Mo1ey...Hammer get your man in here...cause I think he needs to participate and play his role.