Mafia 8 - The Kingmaker - Assassins Victory

[i2i Killer 89]

I'm actually starting to believe Bluestars that she's innocent. If she were guilty I think she would've defended herself a lot more than because this is her first game so she wouldn't be the same as Fozza was in the last game where he was just defending himself beyond belief.

I know we shouldn't look back to earlier games but that lynch of Fozza is now a really good way for me to figure out who is evil and I seriously don't think that Bluestars is evil.

Also, I woke up this morning and suddenly started to think about what Axeman (I think) has said.
How do we know that Yorkshire isn't evil. Just because he was king on the first day doesn't mean he's not evil. He executed Tommy at a moment's notice and hasn't posted much in day 2 (guilty conscience because he's evil?).

So right now I think that I'll still keep looking at Bluestars but I'm now 75% sure she isn't evil.
Yorkshire, Quig, Billyman and Dotleo still top my list

[hippo]

Seems to be a bit of rebellion towards the multiple votes system operating in this game. It's in place so that the people who the most people find suspicious are at the top of the list. Under the standard one vote system, somebody who a lot of people suspect of being scum may actually have a very small amount of votes, because someone else looks even more guilty. In this system, both names would be there for the king to see.

If you do not wish for people to multiple vote, then explain your reasons to the rest of the players in why you think a one vote system would be more effective, and get them to use it. The rules themselves won't change, but the rules in place don't stop you having a system between you for coming up with a name for execution.


Vote Count
dotLeo: yorkshireblue, sir hammer, fozza gump, laserblue (4)
Yorkshireblue: sir hammer, manic, steve van halen, Happy Axeman (4)
Bluestarsneyes: sir hammer, fozza gump, Happy Axeman, amadjin (4)
Amadjin: bluestarsneyes, Happy Axeman (2)
Sir Hammer: yorkshireblue, billyman, steve van halen (3)
Happy Axeman: bluestarsneyes, sir hammer, amadjin (3)
Manic: fozza gump, billyman, steve van halen (3)
Steve Van Halen: manic, Sir Hammer, yorkshireblue, afroboy, Happy Axeman, amadjin (6)
Billyman: Sir Hammer, Happy Axeman (2)
Quigmaster: Sir Hammer, laserblue, Happy Axeman, amadjin (4)
afroboy: steve van halen (1)
mo1ey: yorkshireblue (1)
fozza: Happy Axeman (1)

[Sir Villain]

I'm actually starting to believe Bluestars that she's innocent. If she were guilty I think she would've defended herself a lot more than because this is her first game so she wouldn't be the same as Fozza was in the last game where he was just defending himself beyond belief.

I know we shouldn't look back to earlier games but that lynch of Fozza is now a really good way for me to figure out who is evil and I seriously don't think that Bluestars is evil.

Also, I woke up this morning and suddenly started to think about what Axeman (I think) has said.
How do we know that Yorkshire isn't evil. Just because he was king on the first day doesn't mean he's not evil. He executed Tommy at a moment's notice and hasn't posted much in day 2 (guilty conscience because he's evil?).

So right now I think that I'll still keep looking at Bluestars but I'm now 75% sure she isn't evil.
Yorkshire, Quig, Billyman and Dotleo still top my list

She has defended herself in two massive posts designed to look that its all going against her and its my fault. Im not the one that made her type those seemingly dodgy posts.

Again that last post stinks of Mafia again. Mafia caught and desperate. Before Amadjin pointed the slip up she was backtracking and trying to get my support by unvoting me and saying she believed my claim, now all of a sudden I am solely responsible for two deaths. Seems strange that someone who is truely town would be satisfied by dying just to prove their innocence. She says that if she was mafia that people would stick up for her, but only Currieman has stuck up for her so far and would mafia really come out of hiding to help out someone going down? Then plenty of self-depreciation again and accusations of word twistings seal it.

As for the others on your list King, Yorkshire obviously could be evil which I mentioned yesterday but no one listened when I tryed to set up the guidelines and no one is listening now. He lynched Tommy quickly, but thats it. He generally doesnt post much anyway so it tells us nothing. More interesting I think is Dotleos rush attempt to get him lynched "even if hes good" I think was the words used. He has slipped away since the Blluestars thing, but he would be in the top two.
Quig and Billyman are there too, Quig being a shit player but im not sure why you are going after Billyman. Doesn't seem to have done anything off so far has he?

Out of those you've mentioned I would prefer them in this order: Bluestars, Dotleo, Quig, Yorkshire. Billyman


(oh and another contradiction in her last post. She says she will be laughing, but why all the crying smilies?  )

[i2i Killer 89]

I have read back again and I can see what you mean about Bluestars defending herself but it doesn't stink of an evil stench. She doesn't say anything like "Oh well if you kill me, you'll see that I'm innocent".
Instead she just says "If you kill me then it's because of a typo. She's not blatantly defending herself like Fozza did.

Yorkshire doesn't really post much as you say and that is another reason that I think he may be mafia. He executed Tommy and now he's not posting. Why is this? Maybe because he knows that if he tries to defend himself then he will look guilty.

Dotleo is suspicious and could well be evil but I'm not sure yet.
Same with Quig because he does look suspicious from his posts but he hasn't posted much recently.

The reason I think Billyman may be evil is because he hasn't posted much and when he has it's only been to vote.

Basically what I'm trying to say is: WHY IS NOBODY POSTING!?

[laserblue]

Hi

Sorry havn't been posting for a couple of days but I made my votes & gave my reasons & I don't really know what else to say

Hey hammer....... In those guidlines how many people did you say need to vote for someone before the king should take notice? & do you think there are enough people posting to get that?

Come on people the king needs some help

[billyman]

hi all, soz i havent posted much of late, but with not being able to post in the first few days i geuss i just got a bit behind with it all, will make more of an effort

going over what has been posted, i must say it seems extremely difficult to pick out anybody in particular so will hold back on any vote for the minute, also still dont really understand what is happening in this game, do we have to pursuade the king to lynch somebody?

[yorkshire blue]

i no i havent posted for a while but others havent i didnt no really what to say but i think bluestars is evil and theat was a bad mistake. i just have a feelin though that hammer could be evil even though hes posted alot saying hes not and hes not cos it would be stupid to do.

thinking about it though how is it stupid and where is moley is innocent partner he aint posted for awhile. hows it a stupid thing to do though saying your good they could both be evil or thats what i think but others probably dont think the same and why was connstantly trying to change the rules and it was weird how the person he was arguin the with is now dead

vote bluestarsandeyes, hammer

[froganomis]

i know hes allegedly a mason but he could at least post

Vote: Moley

youve got an interesting point yorkshire,here comes the but,yes bluestars looks evil,slippin up the way she did,but the king is right,her defending herself the way she did seems too innocent,so i think your wrong,

and im handin you a vote for killin an innocent

Unvote Bluestarsneyes,Vote Yorkshire Blue

[laserblue]

and it was weird how the person he was arguin the with is now dead

Do you think he would do something that obvious?

Also if he where making it up about being a mason surley the real masons would have outed them as evil by now.

Yorkshire & Amadjin are begining to look suspicious to me.

[laserblue]

Sorry........... read the posts again & I may be wrong about amadjin  I still think yorkshire is looking suspicious though.

[froganomis]

i was about to say,what exactly have i done? lol

hammer said at least a third of us voting on said person before the king should take notice,and if we hit two thirds then he should lynch them,and if we go by the guidelines most people are on about 10-20% of suspicion,is churchy playing if so,aint heard much from him lately...perhaps by chance or an act of lurkin

vote churchy

[ChurchofHalo]

I think I posted a page or so ago, hard to keep track the way the "days" go in this game.

If you are talking about people lurking there are people who have said less than me.

I think Bluestars made a big mistake in saying what she did but i don't think she is an evil role but nothing is certain.

Hammer made some good points against her but as everyone knows there is more than one way to take peoples action or interpret thier actions and anyonce can talk themselves out of situation if they have the gift of the gab.

So to conclude I'm not actually sure to soon to make any definate conclusions and the only way to be sure is to lynch the person but could be a costly mistake.

[*Afroboy*]

There's alot of votes flying about lately, there just seems to be a big row over bluestars, apart from what she said about anti-assasin she hasn't actuallly done much wrong, she is posting quite regularly.

What about quig, I hadn't noticed until now how suspicious he is, he douesn't like to say who to vote for and he hasnt voted, also he likes to lurk and post on ly when desperatly needed

vote quigmaster

[Sir Villain]

Yeah, the jist of it was that there would always be a list. The King can only execute people on that list. Once you got over half the people in the game voting for you (in this case 9) then you would automatically go on the list. Not enough people are voting really to make this work. Also if you had some proper evidence against you like someone claiming to be a cop saying he got a Guilty verdict on you you go straight onto the list and finally the King can upgrade anyone to the list if they think that person is Guilty as long as they explain there reasons. This gives us power on whos on the list and still gives the King power to choose who he kills.

i no i havent posted for a while but others havent i didnt no really what to say but i think bluestars is evil and theat was a bad mistake. i just have a feelin though that hammer could be evil even though hes posted alot saying hes not and hes not cos it would be stupid to do.

thinking about it though how is it stupid and where is moley is innocent partner he aint posted for awhile. hows it a stupid thing to do though saying your good they could both be evil or thats what i think but others probably dont think the same and why was connstantly trying to change the rules and it was weird how the person he was arguin the with is now dead

vote bluestarsandeyes, hammer

The thing is there is only one group of bad guys so for me, Bluestars and Moley all to be evil we would have to be on the same team. I have been asking for Bluestars to be lynched so that seems unlikely, doesn't it?

This game needs more imput from some people, its getting boring for those actually playing arguing with the same people all the time.



and as for Bluestars defence.... think what you would say if someone was accusing you of mafia and would it look like her last posts?

There are plenty of reasons to lynch her. More so than anyone else I say.

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Quig is in Portugal down South America way for the rest of the week. He said he was away in a previous post.

oh and here is that defence you were after Bluestars

There's alot of votes flying about lately, there just seems to be a big row over bluestars, apart from what she said about anti-assasin she hasn't actuallly done much wrong, she is posting quite regularly.

compared to this initally

Good Claim hammer, it does make clear sense, top of my suspision list are SVH and bluestars at the moment.

going from "top of my suspicion list" to "hasn't actually done much wrong" is quite alot isn't it?

Vote:Afroboy

[stevenryals]

Hammer, I know I'm dead, but I was just wondering if you knew where Portugal REALLY was?  honestly...  South America???

Portugal down South America

[laserblue]

I was thinking the sale but steve got there before me

[Sir Villain]

Hammer, I know I'm dead, but I was just wondering if you knew where Portugal REALLY was?  honestly...  South America???

That clears up how they knocked us out the last European Championship then.


I was quoting a brilliant American TV show called Arrested Development.

[i2i Killer 89]

Good pick up on Afroboy there Hammer. Always a sign if people do that.
Afroboy goes on the list as well.

So the list now includes these people for me:

Bluestars
Dotleo
Yorkshire
Quig
Billy
Afroboy

Also, where is everybody!? Axeman and Manic haven't posted in ages, nor has Fozza with anything meaningful. Mo1ey has only posted twice that I can remember in the whole game! And Quig is off to Portugal.

[Steve Van Halen]

I bought a 360 yesterday so Ive been messing about with that. Also Ive been busy all weekend especially since one of my players got sent off on Sunday and Ive been trying to get his suspension reduced 

http://grinsparkrangersfc.moonfruit.com

Ive been so busy that I havent posted about bluestareyes dodgy slip the other day. And she is suspiscous of me?

Have I already voted for her? if I havent vote bluestareyes just to make sure




SLAYER!!!!

[bluestarsneyes]

Interesting SVH...I don't remember recently saying anything about being suspicious of you....
I mean I always have been since the beginning and I thought you were a bit of pill
with the joking...but don't remember voting for you right out....hmmm.....

Hammer the reason I unvoted you was because I was wanting to show you that
I have no reason to see you killed of if you are truly innoncent...however you just
keep after me and you just seem off to me...not sure if it is because you are just so
in to the game...that you read into everything I say because you are eager to play
or you are evil to kill good folks off...so sorry if I go back and forth a bit...you
are just a bit aggressive for me.

I don't have much to say anymore about me...I've said all I can say...so whatever at this point...

but I figure I'll still give my opinion as long as I can.
My prior votes were for Amajin and Axeman and Hammer for their votes for Steven and Tommy.
I'm not really sure who to vote for at this point...but I am inclined to simply get rid
of the folks that hardly post...and yeah where has Moley the other mason been?
I can't believe I didn't realize he has probably posted the least in this game.
That is odd...Hammer doing all the mason work? eh?

I think I saw Quig on the board and DotLeo...but I'll have to go back and look those were at the
top of my list just because they hardly post.