Mafia 7: Snakes & Zombies on a Plane Mafia - Tie!

[stevenryals]

Why ChurchofHalo?  What is your reasoning?   The only problem with the games going long like this, is there being so much to read and catch up if you forget anything, but there should be PLENTY of evidence out there by now wouldnt you think?

Also, Looking back at what currieman was on to, looks like he was mostly suspicious of Amadjin and Billy, and I believe billy to be innocent (actually, not sure why, maybe his whining and apparently he is gay with the whole currieman blowjob thing???), but anyway, I think billy is innocent which i've said before a few times.  I tink also, a few of us have aimed our suspicions towards amadjin thus far, i'll have to go back and re-read those posts. 
I remember one thing was that Amadjin outed Fozza, right?? I think that was Amadjin..  I'll have to read back again... but, this should clear him as a zombie, since he was obviously not working with fozza then, but that doesnt clear hiim as a snake.

ALSO NOTE!!:::  If there is a cult, they could have recruited someone last night (and probably did seeing as there was only 1 death), so anyone that was assured to be innocent as of yesterday, no longer is assured at this point...

-steven

[hippo]

Why ChurchofHalo?  What is your reasoning?   The only problem with the games going long like this, is there being so much to read and catch up if you forget anything, but there should be PLENTY of evidence out there by now wouldnt you think?

Also, Looking back at what currieman was on to, looks like he was mostly suspicious of Amadjin and Billy, and I believe billy to be innocent (actually, not sure why, maybe his whining and apparently he is gay with the whole currieman blowjob thing???), but anyway, I think billy is innocent which i've said before a few times.  I tink also, a few of us have aimed our suspicions towards amadjin thus far, i'll have to go back and re-read those posts. 
I remember one thing was that Amadjin outed Fozza, right?? I think that was Amadjin..  I'll have to read back again... but, this should clear him as a zombie, since he was obviously not working with fozza then, but that doesnt clear hiim as a snake.

ALSO NOTE!!:::  If there is a cult, they could have recruited someone last night (and probably did seeing as there was only 1 death), so anyone that was assured to be innocent as of yesterday, no longer is assured at this point...

-steven

You're evil too, by the way. No reason, i just get the feeling you are. You're playing differently, but trying hard to play the same. Same long posts, quotes and random percentages - but none of the random accusations and actually trying to find people out.

[stevenryals]

Still no reason for your Churcy vote hippo? 

Yesterday you were all about reasoning, and all of a sudden today, you have voted quickly without any reasons posted, and have accused me of being evil, again, without any real evidence.  At the end of the day yesterday I thought that you for sure were innocent, I'm not so sure now, possibly you have been recruited by the cult in the night.

As far as Churchy goes, I'd love to see him off as he's been very rude to me so far this game, not sure why, but he has.  But I'm not going to vote without reason, if you actually think hes guilty, show reason, other than he was the third person to vote for yorkshire.

-steven

[hippo]

Still no reason for your Churcy vote hippo? 

Yesterday you were all about reasoning, and all of a sudden today, you have voted quickly without any reasons posted, and have accused me of being evil, again, without any real evidence.  At the end of the day yesterday I thought that you for sure were innocent, I'm not so sure now, possibly you have been recruited by the cult in the night.

As far as Churchy goes, I'd love to see him off as he's been very rude to me so far this game, not sure why, but he has.  But I'm not going to vote without reason, if you actually think hes guilty, show reason, other than he was the third person to vote for yorkshire.

-steven

Either that, or all through the game i've been reasoning, and now i realise that reasons are not what people need for a lynch. It's just nonsense that people'll go along with if they're bored of the day. How did you possibly think yorkshire was the MOST evil looking person? He played exactly like he always does. I find that you, one of the better players of this game, thought that he was the most suspicious, extremely suspicious in itself. I think you're evil - i'm not trying to convince other people, so i don't need reasons. They'll all just vote for whoever a couple of people say is looking the most suspicious/already has the most votes.

I WILL do a post with evidence at some point. But i'm not going to right at this second.

[dotLeo]

Maybe it is just that we are up against it because there are too many evil people, who are willing to bandwagon at a moments notice?

I must admit though, that this distinct change in game play from you hippo is suspcious and looks to me like you have been recruited which is surprising but maybe you realised that the good are outnumbered and jumped ship to protect yourself.

[stevenryals]

I want Yorkshire to understand that the 'role' he is playing appears to be that of a zombie or snake, simply because of how he plays.

Who wa more suspicious Hippo, I said that he 'looked the most suspicious due to the way he plays.'  I gave him the opprotunity to post and contribute and help find evil, and he didnt.  All the while, nobody could post anything worthwile to sway anyone reasoning away from Yorkshire and his play style being that of evil.  Even you said yourself, if you think he's the most suspicious, you haven't thought it out, but you didnt bring the info with that statement..  

I'm still waiting to hear why you think Church is guilty?

Amadjin, SVH and Quig are suspect in my list.

Hippo was not suspect at the end of the previous day, but as of now, I have to consider the possibility that he was recruited by the cult simply because its not like him to vote without reason.  Saying that I am evil on a hunch is excusable since it is a "hunch" post, but to actually vote is another thing.  You are a good player hippo, you've thought it through, what if he is lynched and it all comes back to your 'reasonless' list.  Either you know something we dont know, or you know nothing and have some reason behind the scenes for that vote that I cant think of..... otherwise you would have posted reasons.. and after I've posted requesting a reason 2 or 3 times, i'm sure you will find something out there...

Dotleo, In previous games, innocents did not have to choice to 'jump ship'. I was the the cult leader in the 'mixed themes mafia' and the rules were simple. pick someone to recruit, and they are yours, unless you pick a mifia member, then you die...  so he couldnt have 'jumped ship'.  If he was recruited, it was againt his will, and he took all the knowledge with him that had before, so he would probably know who one or two of the innocents are if they had communicating roles.

as far as evil outnumbering us, thats impossible..  in my opinion, there are 4 possibly 5 evils.  In every game so far hammer has started with the same ratios or close enough to it, which would put the start at 4-5 evils, and we killed one, and they probably recruited one last night.. so it's back to the 4-5!! but now with 3 less innocents.

-steven

(sorry so long, didnt start out that way, but people kept posting and i just added a bit each time)

[ChurchofHalo]

Yeah its great I hav'nt really been spot on this game, might need to rethink my viewpoint, was sure Yorkshire was suspisous and he was'nt, did'nt think Fozza was and he was guilty I can see why I llok so bad.

Before you put all the blame for the Yorkshire lynch on me 5 other people voted for him not just me

[froganomis]

So if its just snake and zombies where are the passenges?

im not being funny,cos i know steves highlighted this before,but how suspicious does this look?
Vote:ChurchOfHalo

[hippo]

Who wa more suspicious Hippo, I said that he 'looked the most suspicious due to the way he plays.'  I gave him the opprotunity to post and contribute and help find evil, and he didnt.  All the while, nobody could post anything worthwile to sway anyone reasoning away from Yorkshire and his play style being that of evil.  Even you said yourself, if you think he's the most suspicious, you haven't thought it out, but you didnt bring the info with that statement.. 

I'm still waiting to hear why you think Church is guilty?

Amadjin, SVH and Quig are suspect in my list.

Hippo was not suspect at the end of the previous day, but as of now, I have to consider the possibility that he was recruited by the cult simply because its not like him to vote without reason.  Saying that I am evil on a hunch is excusable since it is a "hunch" post, but to actually vote is another thing.  You are a good player hippo, you've thought it through, what if he is lynched and it all comes back to your 'reasonless' list.  Either you know something we dont know, or you know nothing and have some reason behind the scenes for that vote that I cant think of..... otherwise you would have posted reasons.. and after I've posted requesting a reason 2 or 3 times, i'm sure you will find something out there...

Dotleo, In previous games, innocents did not have to choice to 'jump ship'. I was the the cult leader in the 'mixed themes mafia' and the rules were simple. pick someone to recruit, and they are yours, unless you pick a mifia member, then you die...  so he couldnt have 'jumped ship'.  If he was recruited, it was againt his will, and he took all the knowledge with him that had before, so he would probably know who one or two of the innocents are if they had communicating roles.

as far as evil outnumbering us, thats impossible..  in my opinion, there are 4 possibly 5 evils.  In every game so far hammer has started with the same ratios or close enough to it, which would put the start at 4-5 evils, and we killed one, and they probably recruited one last night.. so it's back to the 4-5!! but now with 3 less innocents.

-steven

(sorry so long, didnt start out that way, but people kept posting and i just added a bit each time)

STILL waiting? It's been about an hour, and i've said that i'll do one with evidence in a bit. Read my post, it says that. Also, read some of my other posts in the game if you're feeling impatient about it. Church himself will tell you that i've mentioned him on more than one occasion. There'll be some reasons in there too.

What's wrong with voting for someone?

Amadjin, SVH, and Quig are your main suspects. That doesn't at all fit with my point about evil people accusing the less frequent posters for no real reason at all does it?

I'm watching something at the moment, i'll go through and quote in a bit. Is this okay?

edit: last 2 posts were during this one.

Church's looks like a panic post, but like i said, i'll comment on it in a bigger post later.

[froganomis]

and how suddenly am i being branded with the suspicious stick steve?Your changin 'allies' more often than Italy used to,i mean one minute your saying i seem suspicious,the next you think im innocent and now im a main suspect again,make up your mind,im either suspicious or not?
i havent done anything suspicious,purely cos i have no reason to,i have only ever posted what i felt was right evidence or to vote on people i think guilty.and out of that,it led to the bringing down of fozza (snake,zombie someone remind me which)right rant over....nice find on church with that quote steve,i had never noticed it before...

[stevenryals]

I said that getting the hit on fozza clears you as a zombie (well not really since they probably recruited someone last night), but I just think you are riding the "I caught Fozza" wave. you're not my 'top' suspect so to speak as you may in fact be innocent, but at this point I'm having to go on little information and lots of hunch.  I'm more confused about hippo than I am about you.  Because largely I want to think he is innocent, but a slight change in playing styles draws my eye even though it seems he is still out trying to weed out the goodies from the baddies..

Dotleo is an in-and-out character and is getting more of my suspicions as well...

And I think SVH is suspicious because #1 loook at pages 14-17, how he deflects attention and posts absolute nonsense without actually bringing anythin gto the game.  basically getting his post count up to get out of the spotlight..

-steven

(i probably wont be able to post this weekend as I'll have my 2 year old little girl on my bi-weekly fatherly visits, but I will try to get on if i can)

[Quig]

Hmmm. This game gets more differcult every play through as people get more experinced and better at hiding their evilness. I think the best course of action at the moment would be to Vote: Church as he seems to be staying hidden a little. I admit I've been doing this alot as well but um well I dont have a reason really.

[ChurchofHalo]

Don't care anymore, I'm not guilty but everyone has already made up thier mind.

Just a parting shot before I leave the sequence in these games is such, the people who post a lot pick on those who don't because they do not fight back and the people who post a lot get away scot free because everyone thinks they are innocent.

Hoiw many people have actually considered that Hippo or Steven or any onf the others who dominate the posting could be guilty?

No they just use the fimsy reason of they hav'nt said very much and when people do post they say that is a sign they are guilty.

Vote for me, don't care much either way anymore, from the looks of it the bad guys have nearly all but won.

[hippo]

Well, i NEVER use the whole lack of posting thing as a reason to vote for someone. In fact, i think it's pretty clear that i do exactly the opposite. People who do post are likely to have the power roles. The roles are random, yes, but stevenryals' suspect list is shocking. If he honestly thinks that ALL of the less frequent posters have ALL of the major evil roles then i think it shows him up as being evil.

Since i voted for church yesterday, with no reason given for it, two people have jumped on it. With no reason. Amadjin i think may have just been being optimistic in that people have suspected him strongly and he didn't want it to go that way again, but quig has made a habit of it. He finished off yesterday's lynch of an innocent with no reason, and he's jumped on todays vote with no reason. I have no idea whether or not church is actually evil, but quig seems highly likely.

Lets take his last two days voting and play 'Spot The Valid Reason'..

Vote: yorkshire blue

I havent posted much because I don't get as many chances and when I do I can never think of anything to say.

Hmmm. This game gets more differcult every play through as people get more experinced and better at hiding their evilness. I think the best course of action at the moment would be to Vote: Church as he seems to be staying hidden a little. I admit I've been doing this alot as well but um well I dont have a reason really.

Struggling?

Here's something he said a few posts after currie (innocent) posted an absolute mass of evidence against fozza (zombie). Clearly trying to divert the attention from him..

There isn't  much evidence for anyone at the moment that I can see so I think we should lynch the person who is contributing the least. Other then me.

He has been extremely dodgy throughout this game. And no matter what you think, he hasn't posted infrequently, he's posted a few times a day, he just hasn't said alot. I'm pretty sure he's a zombie. And i'm pretty sure the zombies are a cult. He said this shortly after the idea that the zombies are a cult was resurrected..

The zombies don't have to be cult. For all we know know one of them could be mafia and the snakes could be a serial killer or something. Could even be 2 separate mafias. And they get alternate night kills or something. I think I'm gonna stick with my eariler decision for now as I am still in favour of that.

I think if you examine the number of kills each night, it's pretty much guaranteed that they're a cult. And again, he's trying to divert attention from the right ideas about his group.

unvote church
vote quigmaster

[dotLeo]

Like what you did there hippo, shrewd move indeed. 

I'm inclined to agree with you about quig, call it jumping on the bandwagon if you will but the evidence (mostly the evidence, you have highlighted hippo) is overwhelming in favour of him being evil, and far to quick to vote.  Hiding behind the I don't have time to post much / read the thread excuse doesn't wash.

Vote quig.

[Steve Van Halen]

I'll go with that. Very clever of hippo to lure a mistake from Quig

Vote Quig

[billyman]

ooops quig!

undefendable eh!

see yer in mafia 8

vote quigmaster

[Sir Villain]

Vote Count
ChurchofHalo (2): Amadjin, TheQuigMaster
TheQuigMaster (4): Hippo, Dotleo, Steve Van Halen, Billyman

Not Voting (4): ChurchofHalo, StevenRyals, ManicMonkeyMan, Raygyn Bull

6 Votes to get a lynch

[dotLeo]

This leaves us with a bit of a problem - are there enough good guys out there to get this vote through?  I can't see anyone standing up for quig as that would be akin to suicide.  The other alternative is silence which could well be what his evil friends are doing right now.

Come on guys, input please...

[ManicMonkeyMan]

just checked in from  a heavy weekend on the piss, ?1 a pint all day friday and sunday

seems quig has been outed, always thought he was evil as i voted him the prevous day but changed because no-one else suspected him at the time so my vote was wasted on him

so votequigmaster time 2 throw a motherfukking snake of the plane