Mafia 15 - 24 - GAME OVER - TOWN WIN

[i2i Killer 89]

Vote count
3 – Sir Hammer (StevenRyals, Hippo, Hammerbro)
2 – Trick Pony (TCH, MiasG)
1 – TCH (Trick Pony)
1 – MiasG (YorkshireBlue)
1 – YorkshireBlue (Mikeblue)

It will take 8 votes to get a lynch

[wesmancity]

Vote count
3 – Sir Hammer (StevenRyals, Hippo, Hammerbro)
2 – Trick Pony (TCH, MiasG)
1 – TCH (Trick Pony)
1 – MiasG (YorkshireBlue)
1 – YorkshireBlue (Mikeblue)

It will take 8 votes to get a lynch

Erm Currieman where has my vote gone?

[Tommy Caton's Hairstylist]

well it was a oneliner Wes so easy to miss  and obviously of no value so not counted !!

[wesmancity]

Wesmancity-hmmm...another one I for some reason have to say I kind of always feel is mafia...lol..but that is because of your posting style...so I would not vote for you as that would be unfair at this point...but a few of your oneliners seem very suspect...so my only thinking is to see how much more active you become in the game and judge by this game only. for now I don't know...for certain.

Deff FOS BLUESTARS,,, 

[MIASG]

Miasg posted an idea about there possibly being two mafias....that idea didn't cross my mind until he said it...although could be possible I assume...but in 24 that season I don't recall there being two terrorist groups...so if we follow the series exactly I don't see that being a possiblity...but I feel that was something to notice..and worth mentioning...a good pick up if you ask me. I would be sort of inclined to think if there were two groups as suggested that they wouldn't both be mafia...but rather...one mafia and one cult. But I've not played enough games with a cult to really know if that idea is viable.

Actually my thoughts are that there is 1 mafi/terrorist leader and possibly 2 cells of mafia and they don't know each other exist .. but it's just a theory .. I've watched some but not all series of 24 and there are usually multiple cells .. you know the ones they catch in eps 1-3 and the ones they chase in the rest ..

[stevenryals]

Deff FOS BLUESTARS,,, 

Deff another one liner

[stevenryals]

Actually my thoughts are that there is 1 mafi/terrorist leader and possibly 2 cells of mafia and they don't know each other exist .. but it's just a theory .. I've watched some but not all series of 24 and there are usually multiple cells .. you know the ones they catch in eps 1-3 and the ones they chase in the rest ..

Unvote Sir Hammer

Vote MIASG

You didnt say that, I said that..  you in yoru first post on a one-liner, "could mean two cells"... however ,.. that was the end of your post.. then 3 or 4 posts later was mine..  in which I presented the ideas you are now claiming as your own..  you've forgotten what you said and what you didnt say..  you're not paying attention.. and you're evil.. biznitch!

[MIASG]

and that's enough to vote for me ?  fair enough - better reasoning than line spacing .. what I left out in that thread was "my thoughts are now", that which as you say you came up with .. so really I agree with you .. I was just clarifing for Bluestars and everyone where my thoughts are now not trying to take credit away from you or anything .. really there isn't much difference between my original thought and your extrapaltion.  It's all theory anyway.

Masterzulu you said you'd be back on later after diner and that was like 10 hours ago .. surely you have had enough time to digest what you've noted.  Can't keep hiding in the background. 

[MIASG]

OH shit I had a space between paragraphs  I guess yorkshireblue can't vote for me twice on that issue

[Sir Villain]

Don't think there is any point really speculating at this point about potential mafias groups. All we should know is that probably roughly a quarter of us playing are some sort of baddies, and that could even be well off. Shouldn't rule out a cult, as fundamentalist muslim terrorists seem to recruit people so thats a possibility.

(Sorry for early inactiveness. Back and kicking now)

Also I love how people always say I'm a good player at this, when to my memory i've never done anything decent in the whole history of Axeman mafia aside from my valiant attempts to set up some rules in the kingmaker game, and my ultimately wrong idea that Bluestars had made some freudian slip in a game.

I am waiting for more people to post so I can make some kind of educated guess. As always on day 1 it is pretty much pot luck. How many games is someone evil lynched in the first day??? Not many because there is nothing to go on and a townie always manages to get lynched. When I posted more than 50% had not posted yet so what am I going to do? Vote for someone?

From the games I have played the mafia tend to lie low the first few days and let town accuse town as they are the ones posting more in my opinion trying to find the mafia. It is easy for mafia to do the usual show up and post once in a while to not draw attention but still be seen to be playing so I am going to keep an eye out for this trend as to me this is a better tell than going after an eager poster on day 1. It is majoritly a guess on the first day as every other time we have got it wrong as far as I can remeber. Off the top of my head in all the games I have played I don't think we have ever lynched a mafia member first day bar the last one when Bluestars played and it like an absolute mere! 

Still a few people yet to post and still nothing much happening than the usual Ausie stuff. I'm not dismissing it but am not jumping to any conclusions just yet.

This is a decent post and sums up my feelings mainly, however accuseing people is the only way forward. Eventually someone will slip up. Steven or Bluestars tradionally make a list of peoples post countsm so when they do that I think they should also count "worthwhile" posts. That should flush out those who are posting alot, but saying little. It's those we have to look out for.

[i2i Killer 89]

Vote count
2 – Sir Hammer (Hippo, Hammerbro)
2 – Trick Pony (TCH, MiasG)
2 – MiasG (YorkshireBlue, StevenRyals)
2 – TCH (Wesmancity, Trick Pony)
1 – YorkshireBlue (Mikeblue)

It will take 8 votes to get a lynch

[hippo]

Shouldn't rule out a cult, as fundamentalist muslim terrorists seem to recruit people so thats a possibility.

Could potentially be a mafia/terrorist group with the ability to recruit, given the theme.

maybe as 24 goes you think you have a good role as town, then currieman will change your role, as that what happens in 24, for eg - As hippo says Nina Myers was a good cop in the first series then turned bad!. Why couldn't this happen with the mafia game?

This is why we need to vote a bit more carefully and not vote someone straight away!

Okay, agreed. Let's definitely do that. We'll be careful and talk everything through thoroughly, explain all our reasoning, and then we'll all be able to make an informed decision and hopefully lynch someone evil.

VOTE TCH

Wait. What happened to carefully thought out and explained voting? If i didn't know better, i'd say you were voting for the first person you saw accused of anything. That's not really in keeping with what you said would be best for the town is it?

[Tommy Caton's Hairstylist]

well apart from TP, my other suspicions would be

Wes - for similar to what hippo said he urges careful consideration and then posts one liners fosing or voting and not explaining any reasoning

Masterzulu - for saying he was going to post later and not reappearing, if he's not back today my suspicions will increase
and

Yorkshire - the doublespace vote has to be the worse reason in mafia history to cast a vote.

[stevenryals]

Yorkshire - the doublespace vote has to be the worse reason in mafia history to cast a vote.

For that I have to agree..

MIASG, you've shrugged off my vote brilliantly, adding a bit of deflection at the end onto yorkshire..  To be honest I had a little buzz last night... but I still think that it was a good pickup as you plainly claim these ideas as your own..  Town almost always remember what they've said opposed to everyone else.. mafia are usually a bit more careless, causing them to forget and make mistakes like that.. 

[MASTERZULU]

Well, In my opinion not much to go on yet.

The TP, Miasg and TCH thing could just be TP doing a good job winding his work colleagues up, if not he's slipped up by showing his hand too early.

Stevenryals seems to be going after any small discrepancy he can find, either thats his style trying to force people into the open or he's over compensating for being mafia.

I'm going to play the noob card a little as this is only my 2nd game of mafia, not much is jumping out at me at all yet to lead to any possible conclusions, to early for me to be casting any votes yet or pointing the finger as it would be pure guess work with no ammo to back it up.

[MIASG]

For that I have to agree..

MIASG, you've shrugged off my vote brilliantly, adding a bit of deflection at the end onto yorkshire..  To be honest I had a little buzz last night... but I still think that it was a good pickup as you plainly claim these ideas as your own..  Town almost always remember what they've said opposed to everyone else.. mafia are usually a bit more careless, causing them to forget and make mistakes like that.. 

deflected onto yorkshire  he voted for me for spacing ..and how having I shrugged off your vote?  you haven't changed it.  As I said you basicaly extrapalated on my views .. I didn't say THIS IS MY VIEW AND I'M THE ONLY ONE WHO THINKS IT ... there were a few pages from when I wrote my first post to when bluestars wrote hers so i was mearly updating .. still can;t see how you think I'm stealing your thunder .. sorry i guess... also I don't think if I remember, or forget something it means I'm mafia or townie .. it's just me dude  .  Sometimes we write when we are buzzed, busy, or tired...

Materzulu I'm disapointed in what you've written since you had all that time to digest your thoughts.  I don't think you've added anything and just agreed with others updates.  I'm assuming then you'd rather not put all your views down now and trying to remain relativley hidden.  I hope we see more of you posting.

Okay, agreed. Let's definitely do that. We'll be careful and talk everything through thoroughly, explain all our reasoning, and then we'll all be able to make an informed decision and hopefully lynch someone evil.

Hippo why wouldn't we do this ? it's an obvious statement and a bit too dramatic for me but the next paragragh really gives it to Wes who is I think is a tit-for-tat voter. 

[bluestarsneyes]

I'm here today, but have a very busy weekend ahead I am leaving work in about two hours will be gone probably until Monday US time....if I have a chance to pop on the computer this weekend I will try, but we are booked solid for this weekend and it is really possible I might not be able to get back on until work on Monday...just wanted to let folks know so I'm not leaving anyone looking for me.

Masterzulu....I get it is only your second game, but the problem with not contributing is that it appears you are sliding back behind the scenes and that is typical mafia behavior....which is normally why newer players get lynched so quickly in these games. This is a game...none of us know anything for certain..but the part of the game is trying to take things that you find in people's words to use to make the best possible choice for a town win. Look....you will make some mistakes or get it right...either way...without trying playing the game is useless, makes you look suspicious...and us townies trying to find evil get annoyed without you participating...so my advice...just anything that looks suspicious to you...questions folks and ask them about it....otherwise you are likely to be a good candidate to look evil..you've not posted enough for me to know one way or the other...but saying there isn't anything to offer even in suspicions is well...weak at this point...6 pages of talk...surely something has to look evil to you.

[MASTERZULU]

Stuff 

Didn't get as much time as I'd hoped, something cropped up that needed my attention.

More Stuff

I understand what you are trying to say... I'm trying to contribute but my point is the more experianced players are maybe able to pickup on things that I would just breeze over hence why I haven't posted much, nothing has set the alarm bells ringing that I felt I needed to question it, once I get into my stride I'm sure i'll be able to get more into things.
You say its looks suspicious that I have nothing to offer after 6 pages, I'm sorry but all I see is 6 pages of tit for tat between the same 3 people.

So If it looks like I'm hiding in the back ground thats up to you guys, but I really am trying to get involved and find out who's who.

Anyways a few pages back there were a few comments on what the evil roles might be, any thoughts on what town roles we may have? Is it just gonna be the usual, Cop, Doctor and a bunch of towns folk combo?

[hippo]

Hippo why wouldn't we do this ? it's an obvious statement and a bit too dramatic for me but the next paragragh really gives it to Wes who is I think is a tit-for-tat voter. 

Eh?

Obviously we should do the first bit. That wasn't really the point. I was just highlighting the inconsistencies between what Wes said we should do (the first quote), and what he has actually done himself (the second quote).

[bluestarsneyes]

masterzulu....I know but remember Day one is a guessing game by all anyway...just try to keep involved...at least on a daily basis is what most suggest...although I will admit at times when a day on the calendar leads to 10 pages of dribble...it does get a bit much..that being said.

I was intrigued at someone saying something about a townie role that might change without their knowledge based off of the 24 character....I don't know if we have that role in the game or not, but that would be a real challenge! Even if there was such a character it would be impossible for us to know or that person...so to me to guestimate on that type of character is well...pointless on day one.

For town roles...I'm not sure based off of 24 if there will be as many townies with what I would consider extraordinary powers...I would assume a cop role of some sort....and a doctor as those are character roles that are common in these games and aren't out of the ordinary in a show like 24...that being said...I wouldn't expect a bulletproof townie this time around as that is well...not something in real life and 24 seems real life based(okay maybe a bit hyper action packed terrorist over the top...but real life, no super powers or fantasy like we were dealing with in Lord of the rings and the other animated thing).  I would have to assume the most important character in the series to protect would be Jack....that being said...as townies the best bet on protecting our most valued townie is if you suspect someone of being Jack is to not call attention to it as that will simply alert mafia as we saw in previous games. But that's my two cents for now.

I think Miasg and Hippo just confused each other...lol...focus I think you are confusing one another and basically saying the same thing! This is a long day one so far....maybe as townies we should try to create our own timeline...I would hate to see this game drag on with days lasting three and four weeks...I think it is hard to keep interest. I think day one is always long...but after that I think creating a self imposed attempt at getting a lynch at least once a week is a good thing..I might be wrong...but I think the games drag a bit if we drag out the weeks with pages upon pages and no voting.
That's just my opinion...take it for what you wish....as for now I'm off for the day.