Mafia 14 - The Good, The Bad and The Ugly Mafia: Game over-TOWN WIN!

[stevenryals]

Three votes, quick succession...  within 30 minutes of each other.. now they've all logged off.. 

[hippo]

so, you just going to believe him? 

i'm reverend leone..  it's my mission to stop the yongsters from leaving the town to join the cult..  i can talk to one person per night and while i'm talking to them they cant be recruited.. 

that's why i said "i'm positive theres a cult" on the first day..

that's why i said "my role is fairly useless unless I guess right every night"

UNVOTE MIKE BLUE
VOTE HAMMERBRO

he's put himself in a bad situation..  you either lynch me or you lynch him..  he posted "im a cop", and you now have my full role.. 

Right okay, well i want to hear more from hammerbro.

BUT, the way i'm seeing it currently is that we have two options:

1) Believe hammerbro and lynch you. If he's lying, we lose a "fairly useless" role, but probably identify a mafia/cult member in hammerbro, but suffer whatever he's capable of at night. If he's not, then we obviously get you as an evil person.

2) Believe you and lynch hammerbro. If you're lying, then we lose a cop, and we suffer the consequences of whatever you do at night. If you're telling the truth, we get an evil person obviously.

So, we're going to end up lynching somebody evil in the next two days either way; both options give the potential that it's today.

BUT, only one of the options means we POTENTIALLY lose an actual useful role for the town. Which is why i'm leaning towards going with hammerbro. This might change when i hear his next post though, so for now i'm going to unvote stevenryals.

PRE-POST EDIT: Stevenryals posted again whilst i was typing.

[hippo]

Just to clarify, when i say "leaning towards going with hammerbro", i mean i'm leaning towards believing him; not lynching him. But like i said, i want to hear what more he has to say, hence the unvote.

[i2i Killer 89]

This is a pretty sticky situation because 1 of you is lying. We just have to figure out who. Hammerbro has only posted 5 times in the entire game whereas Steven has posted the most and has posted over 100 times. My thoughts would say that the person that has posted less would be the one more likely to be mafia. However Steven could just be posting lots to try and cover his tracks by playing the game by the numbers and accusing lots of people and lynching Bluestars as a normal townie would.

The 2 things you said do make it quite likely that you are telling the truth Steven but surely Hammerbro wouldn't be so bold as to be mafia, only post 5 times in the whole game and then suddenly claim that he's a cop and hope we all believe him? He could just be bored and trying to get the game moving by roleclaiming though

I'll unvote StevenRyals for now. Think I'll go back and look at Hammerbro's posts as well. Is there not a role that can mean a cop gets incorrect results or is that just when they investigate the mafia godfather and it comes back innocent?

[wesmancity]

Vote Hammerbro as that statement is madness and for me steve in an easy target for you guys. Really can not understand why you did that.

[stevenryals]

Is there not a role that can mean a cop gets incorrect results or is that just when they investigate the mafia godfather and it comes back innocent?

not likely, but i remember in the past there were 'rogue cops' who always got the wrong results..  or something of that nature in der hammer's games.. so if he is a cop, then he's a rogue cop and useless to the town anyway..

[*Afroboy*]

Things are getting a bit crazy, at first I was going to go with Hammerbro and vote for steve but after thinking about it I'm not so sure
that it's the right thing to do as steve played a big role in the lynching of bluestars. I think 1 of 3 things might have happened.

1) Hammerbro is a paranoid cop and steve may or may not be innocent
2) Hammerbro is telling the truth and steve is lying
3) Hammerbro is evil and has made up a wild story to confuse us

Can someone help me here who knows the film and tell me if steves story fits the character he's claiming so I'm going to hold back on my vote for steve for now. Also can hammerbro give us a name of his character and can steve give us the name of his role without quoting mod.

[stevenryals]

i'm reverend leone..  it's my mission to stop the yongsters from leaving the town to join the cult..  i can talk to one person per night and while i'm talking to them they cant be recruited.. 

that's why i said "i'm positive theres a cult" on the first day..

that's why i said "my role is fairly useless unless I guess right every night"

afroboy..  read the posts!!  last post on the previous page...

[*Afroboy*]

I did I meant name as in eg. roleblocker or cop or anything like that

[stevenryals]

the only name I have is Reverend Leone.  It's a role block type of role, but I can only block the cult from a recruit night action.

[stevenryals]

ok.. so we have 18 players..  more than likely 6 evil..  with big games like this and hammer modding you can almost be assured there is a cult

 

one of my first posts.. 

[hippo]

i can talk to one person per night and while i'm talking to them they cant be recruited.. 

So, as we've had a night phase, there should be somebody who can 100% back up your story. They don't have to roleclaim or anything, because i'd guess you can talk to anyone at all? They just have to say they were talked to.

If you can produce that person, and they can back you up, i'm willing to believe you.

[stevenryals]

no.. i wrote it right..  i have a weak role, where if I guess right every night woopy for me, but nobody will ever know the results until after the game...no i'm not a role blocker or cop... that would actually be pretty cool... 

here's where I basically tried to describe my role..  not really a roleblocker, and nobody will know what i've done until after the game, but considering the cult is already gone... i have nothing to do..

so.. believe my claim, which i've been consitent about throughout the game, or hammerbro..  up to you.

[laserblue]

I think afro may have a point I remember yorkshire being a paronoid cop he had no idea & everyone he investigated came back evil

Hope hammer can replace footynewb ...

I don't trust TP.... we were both mafia last time & he wanted to kill off his aussie workmates from the start.....

or SVH I know he's been on recently but for an experienced player his posts have been very poor

or axeman ... I know he's been busy but even with limited time he has usually sussed out most of the evil players he made a post last time near the start & named every mafia member bar one & this time weve had nothing like that...he has said he hates being mafia because he is bad at lying....

 & I am still suspicious of mophead cause along with bluestars he did not vote.

Despite bluestars being obviously evil he never voted for her

usually he has a go in his posts against bluestars but not this time.

FOS TP, SVH, Axeman, Mophead....

I've noticed yorkshire is more involved in this game ... but I can't decide what that means yet..... problem is I always suspect him everygame. 

[laserblue]

So, as we've had a night phase, there should be somebody who can 100% back up your story. They don't have to roleclaim or anything, because i'd guess you can talk to anyone at all? They just have to say they were talked to.

If you can produce that person, and they can back you up, i'm willing to believe you.

Good point

.. steve you seemed to have bypassed this one ... someone should be able to confirm this without giving anything away....

[hippo]

here's where I basically tried to describe my role..  not really a roleblocker, and nobody will know what i've done until after the game, but considering the cult is already gone... i have nothing to do..

so.. believe my claim, which i've been consitent about throughout the game, or hammerbro..  up to you.

?

It doesn't matter if you've been consistent with it throughout the game, because you could have just thought of a cover story at the start and stuck to it.

All of your defense seems to hinge on the fact that you knew there was a cult - there is quite another obvious reason that would explain how you knew there was one, why you were found guilty in an investigation, and why you tried to ignore the points i made earlier in the day about hammer's previous cults having a deputy.

If you're telling the truth, you talked to somebody last night according to your own roleclaim. Unless you're now saying you don't actually talk to them? Which wouldn't be very consistent at all, would it?

[stevenryals]

why do you assume that hammer would PM someone and say "you've been talked to"  considering hammer didnt have access to a computer i'd assume that he didnt do much more than post the results from the night actions, I didnt get a result back either.

hippo you really seem strong on hammerbro's behalf.  Why?  I know, becase he's 1 of 2 things.. he's a paranoid cop or he's mafia.. if he's a paranoid cop, then you see a chance to get rid of a few townies.  if he's mafia, obviously you want the town to believe his claim, so you try to cast doubt..

the town now knows my entire role, almost everything I was sent by the moderator, and hammerbro only say "i'm a cop stevenryals is guilty" and that's enough for you to believe..  you in past games have tried to be more intelligent than that..  but you seem to be in agreement with him very easily this time..  I think that come the end of the game, you'll be found out to be mafia.. 

[*Afroboy*]

Steve answer the question! You are looking more and more suspicious to me, you are avoiding almost all questions, the post you made in day 1 is the only thing you keep on coming back to, looks like it was a big plan to me. :'(

[stevenryals]

you have enough information to make a decision afroboy...

[Trick Pony]

I cant see why the cop would reveal himself so early with little pressure it just doesnt make sence, I believe Steve so far so VOTE : Hammerbro

Though if he turns out the be the cop then your gone Steve..

Also laser why do you keep mentioning me for being quiet. The game stalled so almost stopped reading until TCH said something yesterday about the new day phase as he was killed.  Their is almost no point in provoking resonses now as its always seen as being evil, I think you either have an evil role or are a normal townie with no clue...  I would have loved to take out MIASG as in every game though I just dont have the power in this game so unrucky for me