Mafia 14 - The Good, The Bad and The Ugly Mafia: Game over-TOWN WIN!

[Quig]

Just thought I'd say im back. I'm gonna try and read 12 pages but its quite a scary task.

[hippo]

Thought i'd compile some of stevenryals' best bits of the day (this is ridiculously long i know, but there's a ridiculous amount of stuff that makes me think he's dodgy)..

Third Person Theory

"3. Third person on a wagon is likely to be mafia (+15)"

1) Yorkshire Blue 3 (Mikeblue, Currieman, Stevenryals)
2) mikeblue 3 (hammerbro, mophead, stevenryals)
3) amadjin 3 (Hippo, Currieman, stevenryals)

Example of Paranoia about looking suspicious

This was in response to hammerbro agreeing with him, and adding pressure to somebody:

I certainly do not appreciate you coming on directly after me and voting for mikeblue..  firstly it make me look sus.. secondly it makes people think we may have some link which is not the case..  thirdly it takes my vote and turns it into the start of a 'bandwaggon' in peoples eyes..

well done hammerbro..       great thinking.. 

He'd made some reasonable points about mikeblue, so voted for him in order to get a response (as is the right way to play), and hammerbro had agreed and helped him get a reaction. So 2 votes - nowhere near a bandwagon, and nowhere near potentially turning it in to a lynch.. just a bit of pressure to get a reaction. Nobody else pointed it out as suspicious, everyone knew putting pressure on people was required, and then steven posted that. Completely paranoid.

Some good points about Bluestars

Give him credit, he picked out some good points about how bluestars' style had changed..

Bluestars, in the last 3 games you've played, you've been town..  each time you have waited until the end of the day after heavy research before posting a vote..  you have now posted 3 or 4 times and now you are already voting..  you are playing a very different game.. 

you my dear, are mafia and I'm very sure of it.. 

i'm 99% sure she's evil.. 

you are evil dear..  and not very good at it I must say...

strange..  all of your posts are long.. you have read 7 pages of posts to get to this point in just 2 1/2 days..  if you're so busy how have you worked all this into your rigorous schedule?

..and the bizarre change of heart

however..  as I've gone back over the game today..  I've decided that yes, bluestars has changed her style of play to the extreme..  this may be because she has a highly important role for the town

But, she's CHANGED her style of play, steven. In the last 3 games she was a hobbit/mason (highly important role for the town), cop (highly important role for the town) and a mason (relatively important role for the town). Why would getting a similar role create such a drastic change?

looking at past games, she's never had that.. normal townie, normal townie & mason.. so her change in style could be a result of her being mafia or her being a pro town role..  I've said we should go after Amadjin first and then look back to bluestars tomorrow plenty of times.. 

So, lying about her previous roles.

we should re-evaluate her tomorrow based on the nights actions..

What's going to have changed exactly? Unless she gets killed, there's going to be no more information available than there is now. What i think you're saying here, is that you hope based on the night actions, somebody else will look more suspicious and people will forget about bluestars.

I said she definately has a power role..  her last 3 games she's been a useless no power townie..

lying again.

mason is useless & in xmen she was killed by mafia quickly and blocked all other times..  so.. useless

not admitting he was lying. Essentially saying that because she ended up getting blocked, a cop wasn't a powerful role for her to be given. Or a mason wasn't powerful, in a game where the masons (particularly the hobbit masons) were the absolute most important roles for the town.

When does he ever say things like this?

did you read what wes said? 
you know what.. if you dont get it.. you just dont get it..  it's day one and we're pissing up a tree anyway...

We all know how steven plays as a townie. If he thinks he's found something, he will go to great lengths to explain it and put pressure on whoever it is that he has found something out about. He knows what day one is all about, and that quote certainly doesn't match his philosophy.

And finally

"i'm the godfather hahaha haha "

I might be wrong, but there's a lot of lies, inconsistencies, paranoia and admissions of being mafia in there isn't there?

he's crap at mafia

This is true.

[froganomis]

paddle,a certain creek lol, hippo seems to have you sussed steve,which would explain you latching on to my post. i wouldnt be surprised if me or mikeblue (if hes protown) died tonight now he knows the truth

[i2i Killer 89]

Certainly is a lot of evidence against Steven to be fair and whenever anybody has pointed stuff like that out he's just blatantly denied it even though it's the truth

Are you telling us that MikeBlue is your gay lover Amadjin?

[froganomis]

look at my last post,anyone else asks me for clarification and il presume your mafia making sure you've got the names of the people you plan to kill in the night phase

[mophead]

sadly..  i think you are correct..  he did just do that.. 

remember a couple game ago..  he comes on and (this is just a reference for gods sake) say "i'm the godfather hahaha haha " and then put about 500 smilies with guns and bombs and crap..

and nobody listened to him..  he turned out to be a normal townie..  i figure that's what he is here..  he's just trying to make the game fun for himself.. 

i have an idea mophead..  instead of screwing around,... why not try to find evil?  post something worthwile mate or your grounded..

That was the full post Hippo. Not just "I'm the Godfather hahaha haha"

[*Afroboy*]

From what I've read mophead, bluestars and stevenryals could all be evil together so far, for reasons stated by so many people I won't bother saying on bluestars, my reasons for voting mophead and steven ryals mafia like posting which I picked out in my first one or two posts, also he seems to have been rocked by critisism coming from hippo and others.

as far as mophead goes.. I dont think he's evil.. in fact, if I had to pinpoint a single useless townie, it'd be him..  he just doesnt seem interested in this game as much as the past few..  when he was beast in xmen he didnt seem like he really cared either..  but when he was mafia he was loggedin all the time reading everything..

Also I think the use of excuses like this for mophead maybe to keep him off the radar as before steve has been right all the time with mophead so some just take his word for it but this time I think he could just be bluffing and in fact putting mophead down as a normal townie in peoples heads could be a con. Also mophead made a similar sort of action before but that time made a big deal out of it and tried to make a joke out of it where as this time he hasn't also he hasn't defended himself in anyway or explained.

Where has Afroboy been?
 

I've been here, noticing there seems to be a mini-game going on inside the game at the moment with things like mophead, mikeblue and amadjin making a scene and because of this lots of people are being sort of distracted away from the others and focusing a lot on a few leaving people like footynewb, wesmancity and yorky to be at peace to easy.

Hi everybody....
*Hi Dr Nick*

Sorry for my absence... as you know... i've just been trying to fly under the radar and survive the first day...
haha... no no... have just been having net issues at home, but have fixed them now and finally got on to read the 15 pages of day 1... When does this day finish ? no time limit ?

Yet again I see TP is posting alot of senseless crap!! and attacking only the people he knows in person... but i guess we have to come to accept that from the poor kid... it seems its the only style of play he knows
which is bad in the sense that he always looks evil... even when hes not !

I have not had time to completely catch up with everything... just the last few pages...
So I will continue to read through it and see what I come up with...
Good to see MIASG has another enemy in Amadjin he'll be loving it !!

Footynewbs only contribution to the game so far, I know he had an excuse before.... but not now FOS Footynewb.

Not sure about wesmancity posting style, at times I have seen suspicious posting from him such as just trying to get himself on there so people can't say he's not posting but he has made a few points so I'm a bit less suspisious of him than the rest of these

Then you have Yorky. One line wonders he likes to split into 3 lines to try and make it look like a decent post. Doesn't work mate, but you can never be too sure with him cos he posts like this a lot FOS Yorkshire Blue.

[stevenryals]

sadly..  i think you are correct..  he did just do that.. 

remember a couple game ago..  he comes on and (this is just a reference for gods sake) say "i'm the godfather hahaha haha " and then put about 500 smilies with guns and bombs and crap..

and nobody listened to him..  he turned out to be a normal townie..  i figure that's what he is here..  he's just trying to make the game fun for himself.. 

i have an idea mophead..  instead of screwing around,... why not try to find evil?  post something worthwile mate or your grounded..

here's the whole quote, as hippo is trying to LIE to incriminate me..

[stevenryals]

I tell you what hippo..  let's make a deal.. If I get 8 or more votes, i'll post my PM from hammer..  effectively ending the day.. but when I do.. at least I get to give you a BIG OLD F**k you in the process.      because I'll be totally honest..  Im a bit bored with this game..  we've been playing for 3 months straight..  I cant be bothered to read every word in this one.. and I'm basically  ready to sit back and waste the rest of this one out..  my role is basically useless unless i guess right every night..  other than that I'm a useless townie..

[stevenryals]

hmm.. re reading, that sounded a bit harsh...  no harm meant hippo 

[stevenryals]

honestly hippo, i dont think you're any more mafia than anyone else.. just that you're latching on to the wrong bits.. 

you're big bit on me is the bluestars thing..  you yourself said that you weren't either..  what bothers me about her is the fact that yes, she has changed her style.. but I can get past the extremism of this change.. which makes me think that she might be a high power role for the town.. but you seem ready to take that chance..  and to be honest you may be right, and probably are..  but wouldn't you feel a bit played if she turns out to be clint eastwood or something, whatever role he played..    anyway..  whatever at this point..

Unvote whoever i voted

Vote hammerbro  said he was back & reading about 7 hours ago..  apparently he's a slow reader..  ...

where have you been hammerbro? 

also.. FOS footballnewb afroboy TrickPony Axeman & laserblue    for all sitting back and wasting the day..

[froganomis]

I cant be bothered to read every word in this one.. and I'm basically  ready to sit back and waste the rest of this one out..  my role is basically useless unless i guess right every night..  other than that I'm a useless townie..

what do you mean by this???

[MIASG]

As for MiasG. He didn't post till page 9 as he was away, fair enough, then he makes a huge post with all his suspicions which was good and votes for me. Then he doesn't post again until page 12 and that was only as a response to Mikeblue picking up on something he'd said and he immediately changed his vote to Mikeblue for basically no reason other than that he wanted to put pressure on me so voted me and then I replied with a satisfactory defence but Mike had picked up on something he'd said so immediately MiasG votes for him. Also, I'd like to point out that this was only MiasG's 2nd post and that Mikeblue already had 5 people voting for him so this could be a major bandwagon vote as he didn't have any justification as to his vote for Mike, he just seemed to do it because Mike said that he was suspicious. Then he has a little slanging match with Trick Pony which leads nowhere and when Trick Pony picks up on some small things he defends it by saying he was away for 3 days and retorts by trying to make TP look suspicious because he was emailing him at work to get him to post more.
Then Mike says that he made a tit for tat vote for him and his defence is that he is "allowed to vote for whoever he wants" and says that it looks like Mike wants him to vote for the vote leaders which Mike never said and wouldn't anyway because he is the vote leader! Just some really crappy reasoning in my eyes.
Then Steven suspects him and he doesn't defend himself but instead says that TP is suspicious because of the emails he'd sent and because he's going away for a few days. Surely by that reasoning MiasG himself would be suspicious as he went away for a while as well.
Then he posts again a bit later justifying his earlier voting for me but still he keeps his vote on Mike "because of his responses" which I have already pointed out is a pretty crappy reason for voting for someone and 5 people have voted for Mike beforehand, and Mike's responses were just that he looked suspicious.
Also on the page after that MiasG is mentioned quite a lot as looking suspicious by lots of people but he only responds to TP by saying he wants him to go away so he can concentrate on the game. Why does he not defend himself to the others and why does he only respond to TP?
Finally, he says that he is thinking about unvoting Mike and voting for me again (possibly trying to make an alliance with Axeman?) because of my posts in the deleted thread even though he'd already said that my justifications were good enough for him and that Mike was much more suspicious, so what changed?

me thinks you might be linked with Trick Pony.  Read back you'll find that he started on me and kept mentioning me.  A lot of people found me suspicious and I didn't answer to some of them .. some of them may have been when I was away (sorry it's the first time in like 5 games) and after reading 7 pages I didn't find the need to respond.  If someone out there has asked me a question that I haven't answered then please ask me again ..
just a little point to consider currieman .. has anyone come out to back me up and defend me?  no ?  why's that?becuase I'm not mafia - just like I told you in the wiped posts.   I wasn't happy with Mike's responses - so why shouldn't I have voted for him ?  he told me that my vote was wasted.  you seem to think his argument was right and mine was wrong .. I don't see it your way.   A few people have unvoted mikeblue and for what reason - because he may be linked to amadjin - something we are all still unsure about. 
I've answered this after reading your post so I don't know what in the next few pages .. I shall now read on.

[MIASG]

so TCH make a rare appearance .. and nothing new is added to the mix
hammerbro returns - nothing new is added to the mix - still waiting for some more posts.  In his defence he says he's going to read 12 pages - not reply to anything 
afroboy makes an apearance - has a go at all the other non-posters .. pot - kettle - black

Amadjin is gay - we get it.  What I don't get is why he is linked to "said person" - in fact "said person" should be pretty pissed off he was bought into light.  I would be .. 

unvote mikeblue

Stevenryals you say

my role is basically useless unless i guess right every night..  other than that I'm a useless townie..

so is this not a powerful townie role? or not ?  possibly a freudian slip the the guess every night when you may have ment day.  FOS Stevenryals becuase I'm not so sure what your saying here .. also saying your bored is a way to go back into the background a little.

Footynoob came and went and still hasn't posted again .. that is very slack.  why are we allowing him to stay in the background? .. the same for some of the others SVH and HappyAxeman and TCH.  We know we won't hear from TP for a week but everyone else should be here and trying to contribute to finding mafia. 

[Quig]

Just because your still up at 4 in the morning doesnt mean everyone is Ryals. I gave up reading upto date. I've read the latest few pages and from what i remember from before i went, you were being pretty irrational and crazy. So i'm gonna unvote: mikeblue to vote: stevenryals.

[yorkshire blue]

ok just read last three pages now my head hurts.
bluestars- doesnt post for ages then posts and doesnt say alot then goes again mafia tactic just trying to go through day 1 unoticed
stevenryals- looking very sus the vote for me looking really sus didnt look at the voting first did you and steven is also playing this game differently
afroboy- says i post onliners if i posted once a week i could do i big post too put some qoutes in aswell to make it look big
amadjin- im confused but believe is town
unvote mikeblue
i want to vote steven ryals but i think i will be the third vote so i will leave my vote for now
currieman i wanted i deadline so the day would end it is on 20 pages now and still the first day and voting wise theres no one near a lynch

[Steve Van Halen]

The only thing I can think of is that Amadjin needs someone to shoot his hangmans noose like in the film. That makes him the mexican guy who is handed in for ransom in a few towns only for blondie to shoot the rope.

Need to watch this again for extra clues

[hippo]

The only thing I can think of is that Amadjin needs someone to shoot his hangmans noose like in the film. That makes him the mexican guy who is handed in for ransom in a few towns only for blondie to shoot the rope.

Need to watch this again for extra clues

Actually yeah, i don't really remember a gay bloke in the film. What's your name amadjin?

Thinking about mafia games in general, the main way i could see one character being that linked to another, and committing suicide when the other dies, would be a cult leader and a cult member..

[froganomis]

i joined the game late so i dont think i have a name,il have a look now

[Tommy Caton's Hairstylist]

well i don't have much to add from the last 24 hours, though it was good to see "Mr Mafia", the keenest mafia player around, have a hissy fit. First one i've seen from you, so well done Steven good to see even your buttons were pushed.


My vote is still staying with Footynewb as now over 20 pages and one post, which says he will post more and hasn't. I'd rather get rid of someone not posting than lynch someone posting who is potentially a townie. I'm still not sure on anyone being mafia so hence my vote stays with Footy newb.